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Post by Anomonyous on Aug 4, 2012 8:48:17 GMT -5
Not to mention, does a wolf have a means with which to protect his ribs in the first place? Running? Biting? It's not going to sit there like a rock. And again, I question the effectiveness of rib kicks in the first place if a less formidable german shepherd was kicked in the head and still managed to maul its 200 pound attacker.
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Post by jumbo1 on Aug 4, 2012 9:43:14 GMT -5
They're fighting in close quarters. In close combat, humans have superior lateral agility. We can defend ourselves from every position imaginable. We are also much taller and larger which lets us rain blows to the wolf's exposed neck, back, legs, and ribs.
The human will strike the wolf first before the animal bites him. Chad Dawson for example had a punch x2 as fast as that of a rattlesnake. In the same video, he threw 26 punches in 5 seconds. All with equal power behind them.
Most likely the wolf will dive in for the man's leg or arm without even bothering with his foot or hand in the first place.
Now what's faster, the man's arm or the wolf's lunge? In order to avoid counterattack, the wolf will have to change his lunge midair in order to seize the man's other limb. By then, the man's hand will have already snared the wolf's neck.
There's NO way the wolf can bite onto the man and simulatenously stop the man's other leg from kicking him. It's too anatomically limited in that regard.
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Post by mobster on Nov 27, 2012 16:33:33 GMT -5
A wolf is much skinnier and smaller than a human. It's just a scrawny long distance runner. Hell some school kids I know weigh more than a wolf. I weigh more than a wolf, in fact I weigh more than the biggest wolf on record, and despite my physical fitness I do not represent the more impressive members of our species any of whom would virtually mop the floor with this dog. www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=503&issue_id=96 The average weight for an adult male wolf in Alaska is about 100 to 110 pounds while females average about 90 pounds. “Any wolf over 140 I would classify as huge,” Burch said.I mean 100-110 pounds? That's puny as hell. UG, you'd definitely whoop a wolf's rear end blue and green and leave that puppy yelping for its momma. What its gonna do to you? All it has is its jaws and that's it. Stiff inflexible limbs, blunt nails, much lesser intelligence, the disadvantages go on and on. The wolf doesn't have a way to immobilize one limb and simultaneously shut off your other defenses. As soon as it grabs your leg is the perfect chance to start ripping kicks to its sides, gouge his eyes out, grab it by the ears, flip it over onto its back, stomp its underside, headlock it, or any other maneuvers I haven't mentioned. The best members of our species such as French Foreign Legionnaires would toy with a wolf.
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Post by mobster on Nov 27, 2012 16:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by Anomonyous on Dec 4, 2012 18:09:31 GMT -5
Would you like to try?
Of course not, so granted that's a stupid question but you can't apply one individual's experiences to everyone else's. There are probably plenty of soldiers who have panicked in combat, and these are men trained for that very purpose.
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Post by mobster on Dec 4, 2012 19:40:30 GMT -5
Many many more humans including small children have not panicked in the same situation. There are just too many such instances to name. Animals get just as scared and nervy as we do if not more so when faced with the unknown. Felines and bears being notable examples.
A couple people on CF were stating stuff like martial arts maneuvers have limited applicability because they are designed to fight vertical not horizontal structures. But I disagree. I don't see why it can't be modified to fight a wolf.
A joint is a joint. Manipulate the joint past its range of motion and you will disable the limb it belongs to.
A blood choke cuts off blood supply by squeezing major arteries on the neck to render the opposition unconscious.
Applying compressive force to organs beneath the rib cage or the ribs itself will severely wind an opponent.
All that said, if a man cannot get an early advantage, he will lose.
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Post by Anomonyous on Dec 4, 2012 19:59:46 GMT -5
If you're suggesting that most people would stay calm and collected in a golly darn battlefield, without any past experience at all, that sounds pretty far fetched.
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Post by mobster on Dec 7, 2012 20:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by Anomonyous on Dec 8, 2012 11:09:47 GMT -5
People that are motivated by a source other than themselves can often accomplish greater feats.
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Post by rhino on Mar 16, 2013 18:28:27 GMT -5
it depends on how humans react, some with fear others with aggression the later would beat a wolf often Situations where we face serious risk of injury and death generally brings out the best in humans. A lot of people claim that humans are more liable to panic because we are more aware of the threat an animal's weaponry poses but I disagree. It's the clarity of impending doom that actually strengthens us and brings out the warrior inside of us. I watched an episode of I shouldn't be Alive on Discovery Channel where a guy fell into a crevasse and escaped. He wasn't a top human specimen. He was your strong fit otherwise average man. Yet he rose to the challenge and retained his mental toughness. An elite human warrior like a Marine Corp certainly has the psychological advantage over a wild predator if you ask me.
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Post by rhino on Mar 23, 2013 16:17:28 GMT -5
Unlike humans, many other mammals (canids included) have trapezoid shaped skulls, and this makes them less susceptible to head trauma....this is another advantage that non-human apes have over us. Reddhole i think posted a study that the trapezoid shape is sturdier - can withstand greater forces compared to our mostly rounded heads.. not that the wolf is likely to grab something to club the man with lol...but it would take some pretty strong blows to the head for the man to inflict head injuries significant enough. It doesn't change the fact the wolf cannot protect his sensitive facial areas like his mouth, throat, eyes, or nose as well as a human could. Or his exposed flanks for that matter.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 23, 2013 16:58:21 GMT -5
Unlike humans, many other mammals (canids included) have trapezoid shaped skulls, and this makes them less susceptible to head trauma....this is another advantage that non-human apes have over us. Reddhole i think posted a study that the trapezoid shape is sturdier - can withstand greater forces compared to our mostly rounded heads.. not that the wolf is likely to grab something to club the man with lol...but it would take some pretty strong blows to the head for the man to inflict head injuries significant enough. It doesn't change the fact the wolf cannot protect his sensitive facial areas like his mouth, throat, eyes, or nose as well as a human could. Or his exposed flanks for that matter. You dont defend your weapons anyway because only idiots focus there attack on there oppents greatest weapon the risk of injuring your self in the process is too great one mistake and the table is instantly turned.
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Post by rhino on Mar 29, 2013 15:16:16 GMT -5
A wolf has experience bringing down prey and fighting other wolves so I don't think it'll be lacking in that department. You mean fighting other wolves that are just as anatomically restricted as it is. And no, fighting a hyper-flexible, bipedal human with extensive grappling ability brings an entire new set of challenges than a stiff, uncoordinated ungulate. For instance, being biped he can turn around much faster than a wolf could and thus prevent a wolf from flanking him as easily as it would an ungulate. Or the ability to rapid-fire powerful, controlled, and accurate strikes something which an ungulate can't do as well as a human could.
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Post by Reticulatus on Mar 30, 2013 11:50:17 GMT -5
I would very much like to see this study on "trapezoid shaped skulls" I goes against everthing I know about geometric physics.
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Post by rhino on Mar 30, 2013 14:29:07 GMT -5
I would very much like to see this study on "trapezoid shaped skulls" I goes against everthing I know about geometric physics. Humans can break ice, bricks, and concrete with head-butts. I seriously doubt a wolf could do something like that. I don't dispute a wolf can win. It did after all score a higher bite force (Brady Barr test) than a pitbull, rottweiler, or GSD. And dogs less formidable than a wolf have killed grown man. I'm well aware of that. But I have to seriously question the credibility of anyone who thinks the wolf will win "easily".
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