Venomous Dragon
Archeon
The Varanid
The Ora, King of The Lizards.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jul 31, 2012 1:12:51 GMT -5
For more information, check reply #3 1. The reason wolves survive ungulate kicks because of the inaccuracy of the strike. A caribou isn't even looking at a wolf when it kicks. It just bucks its hips backward in a stiff manner. Compared to a human fighter who throws his entire mass into a strike and can do it in rapid succession with equal power behind all the blows. Not to mention, humans too have often survived getting kicked by horses or thrown around by rodeo bulls. 2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaflgNkePKM Woman breaks 750LB of ice with elbow. 3. A wolf, due to its intellect and anatomical limitations is far more restricted in its options of attack and defense. A human is more aware of the wolf's weapon and what it can do to him. A wolf will be baffled by manuevers the human can do to him. Does a wolf have an answer to being: a) Headlocked b) The man grabbing and twisting the wolf's limb to the side, breaking it useless c) Hitting/stabbing eyes, nose, ears of the wolf to force release. d) smashing his ribs with a roundhouse kick e) Weapon improvisation Among various other things? There are SO many things a man can do to a wolf compared to what the wolf can do to a man. The wolf just has his jaw. That's it. We have hands, arms, legs, and brains on our side. 4. As soon as the wolf rushes in the bite your leg, he is exposed to the other 3 limbs. Unlike a chimp who can grapple as well as bite the man, a wolf has no way to shut off the other 3 defenses. The moment he bites your leg is the perfect time to jab his eyes, kick his groin, fall on top of him and pin him down. 5. Who says the man has to be unarmed? He can grab a machete or hammer nearby and cudgel the wolf with it. To say a human must be unarmed is like saying, "a dog should be muzzled otherwise it can bite and that's unfair." It's totally false. If you were fighting a wolf and there happened to be a weapon nearby, would you throw it away just to "make it fair"? NO. You would use it against the wolf. I sure do think it's about time we wise up and show our race the proper respect and credit we deserve! There was once a 73-year-old man in Kenya who dropped his machete and killed a leopardess with his bare hands. A house cat beat a guy in a knife fight.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 31, 2012 23:00:40 GMT -5
This is our species we're talking about. Some of you need to show a little more respect. It's as if some of us hate our own species. I can't for the life of me comprehend that.
Also, the wolf is on average smaller than a human. The largest confirmed wolf was only 79-80 Kilos. How can a wolf, smaller, weaker, less intelligent, and lacking the use of grappling forelimbs consistently win against a human?
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Post by Super Communist on Jul 31, 2012 23:22:48 GMT -5
Judging an animals fighting ability has no relation with like or dislike.
I'd say that's because of trophy hunting.
Because most people don't know how to fight. By the way, do you have any evidence that the average human is stronger than a wolf?
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 31, 2012 23:26:07 GMT -5
Humans are built for explosive strength. Breaking bricks with their heads. Hammer toss. Pulling multi ton aircrafts. Deadlifting 1000 LBS. Bending steel bars. Popping unopened soda cans. And many more examples. All of these activities require more explosive strength. There's your evidence. The wolf mostly walks and run all day. That doesn't require as much strength. Factor in gripping hands and far superior intellect. You have a mismatch in favor of the human. Not the wolf.
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Post by Anomonyous on Aug 1, 2012 10:21:40 GMT -5
Most people don't actually lift thousand pound weights or pull aircraft all day. I'm sure that, in all likelihood, the forum members here don't! SC said average. Those people are not average, or we'd have to use a wolf that magiked itself into learning military CQC moves or something.
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Post by jumbo1 on Aug 1, 2012 10:31:05 GMT -5
Average men and women, even small girls have not panicked in life death situations. I've posted incidences on the previous pages.
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Post by apexpredator7 on Aug 1, 2012 14:16:11 GMT -5
it depends on how humans react, some with fear others with aggression the later would beat a wolf often
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Post by Anomonyous on Aug 1, 2012 14:25:52 GMT -5
Average men and women, even small girls have not panicked in life death situations. I've posted incidences on the previous pages. They don't lift half ton weights so you have yet to prove they're stronger. People may not panic, as in scream and wail while running around frantically, but their state of mind is likely to inhibit rational thinking.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Aug 1, 2012 16:35:39 GMT -5
Average men and women, even small girls have not panicked in life death situations. I've posted incidences on the previous pages. They don't lift half ton weights so you have yet to prove they're stronger. People may not panic, as in scream and wail while running around frantically, but their state of mind is likely to inhibit rational thinking. I consider myself an average man, and I'd give myself a fair chance at overpowering a wolf, I stand well over six feet tall, and 200lbs. I only visit the gym three times a week, and lift a few weights here and there when I'm bored at home after work. I'm no superhuman body builder, but I'm still a fair representation of a strong average person. When a fight calls for a domestic dog do we pick the "Average" specimen? Of course not, because generally as domestic pets they are deprived from combat, and would flee at the sight of a rat. The same should apply here. I managed to remain focused and calm when I was attacked by a rotweiler as a teenager. It was this that allowed me to repel the attacking animal with several swift punches, and kicks to the head. Imagine the results of an adult human with proper combat training. The dog wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Post by Anomonyous on Aug 1, 2012 17:55:33 GMT -5
It's not so much average as using the "top tier average". That is, a healthy, fit specimen in his/her prime, but not one that knows a bunch of karate moves or something. Wolves can never learn our sort of combat training. They could be trained in how to take down attackers like a police dog, but they could never use the techniques we do because they lack the necessary body form. We should generally have the combatants equal as possible, as in fitness and experience in combat. Since wolves cannot use combat training it only makes sense that we don't pit a human that can either.
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Post by jumbo1 on Aug 1, 2012 19:43:38 GMT -5
Wow for once I actually agree with UG.
@anom: Actually you proved my point. The wolf's morphological limitations you mentioned will be its biggest handicap against his far smarter, dexterous opponent.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Aug 2, 2012 0:53:14 GMT -5
Wow for once I actually agree with UG. @anom: Actually you proved my point. The wolf's morphological limitations you mentioned will be its biggest handicap against his far smarter, dexterous opponent. To be honest I agree with you on most human vs animal matches. We are so adaptable in terms of combat we can take down virtually any animal in our size range. The only animals I think we'd have trouble with, are crocodilians because they are so heavily armoured. The wolf simply doesn't stand much of a chance, much less than a similarly sized cat, because where the cat has claws, the wolf has nothing more than blunt nails, leaving its jaws the only weapon, and this is a weapon we can restrain easily. A well planned head-lock would render the wolf's weapons useless, and then it's a matter of stamina, which we all know humans excel at.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Aug 2, 2012 0:55:49 GMT -5
It's not so much average as using the "top tier average". That is, a healthy, fit specimen in his/her prime, but not one that knows a bunch of karate moves or something. Wolves can never learn our sort of combat training. They could be trained in how to take down attackers like a police dog, but they could never use the techniques we do because they lack the necessary body form. We should generally have the combatants equal as possible, as in fitness and experience in combat. Since wolves cannot use combat training it only makes sense that we don't pit a human that can either. Wolves rely on 'combat training' as well, through hunting, and fighting with each other. Deprive a wolf of that, and it would be virtually incapable of bringing down large prey. Plus animals have more intense instincts than we do, giving them an unfair advantage. PS. I'm starting a thread where we can debate what kind of human we are using for these sorts of matches, meet me there and present your case.
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Post by jumbo1 on Aug 2, 2012 0:58:20 GMT -5
A wolf is much skinnier and smaller than a human. It's just a scrawny long distance runner.
Hell some school kids I know weigh more than a wolf.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Aug 2, 2012 3:52:18 GMT -5
A wolf is much skinnier and smaller than a human. It's just a scrawny long distance runner. Hell some school kids I know weigh more than a wolf. I weigh more than a wolf, in fact I weigh more than the biggest wolf on record, and despite my physical fitness I do not represent the more impressive members of our species any of whom would virtually mop the floor with this dog.
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