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Post by Anomonyous on Jul 27, 2012 13:10:17 GMT -5
Humans do NOT panic when faced with death. I'm not talking about panicking (although that is fairly likely), I'm talking about fighting strategy. If you get into a fight, what are you going to do? Probably throw punches and kicks blindly about. It's not so easy to restrain the wolf either. Ask someone smaller than you to try and escape without using his arms while you're holding on to him, and see how easy it is to keep your grip.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 28, 2012 7:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by Anomonyous on Jul 28, 2012 10:11:37 GMT -5
There are also dozens of other attacks that didn't result in the dog dead. In fact I believe you are 16x more likely to get killed by a captive dog than a captive snake.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 28, 2012 23:24:26 GMT -5
Dog/wolf supporters seem to think humans are somehow rendered incapable of what they are clearly morphologically built to do.
A wolf or dog doesn't have a way to bite the man and simultaneously defend himself from the man's other hands or legs. The man will land a punch or kick before the canine lands a bite.
This is close quarter combat. The wolf won't be charging at X miles per hour the entire fight.
Wolves are skinny endurance runners who mostly walk or run all day.
Humans are built for explosive strength. Breaking bricks with their heads. Hammer toss. Pulling multi ton aircrafts. Deadlifting 1000 LBS. Bending steel bars. Popping unopened soda cans. And many more examples. All of these activities require more explosive strength.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Jul 28, 2012 23:37:52 GMT -5
There are also dozens of other attacks that didn't result in the dog dead. In fact I believe you are 16x more likely to get killed by a captive dog than a captive snake. Honestly when using humans there are too many variables, we need to start an entire thread for debating which human we are to use when we use humans in a fight. I know people that could break my neck within a few seconds, but due to a lack of knowledge would be helpless against a black mamba, which I could overcome with some difficulty. Are the people in these fights aware of the adversaries weaknesses? Have they been given enough time to prepare? Have they been given the necessary knowledge on the animal's limitations? There are simply too many variables. As for the snake thing it's actually that dogs are two times more dangerous than pet snakes. 72 million dogs in america 36 fatalities per year 2 million snakes in america 0.4 fatalities per year But do remember that snakes are extremely docile, placid animals. Dogs are aggressive dominant mammals, and people constantly think that they are safe to be around. When someone has a 200lb python they usually take necessary precautions with it, a python that gets big enough to kill someone is generally a python that is well taken care of, whereas any idiot can buy an aggressive big dog.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 29, 2012 7:30:22 GMT -5
For desk jockey who lost pathetically against a dog, tens of thousands of other humans would have risen to the challenge and taken on the wolf full force.
Some potential candidates include: 1. Gladiators 2. Spartan Warriors 3. Viking Berserkers 4. Pararescue soldiers 5. Construction Workers (men of hard labor in general) 6. Firemen 7. Crips gang member (or any member of a dangerous gang) 8. Navy Seals 9. Olympic weightlifters
And so many others I haven't named.
The difference between the average man and these men is so much greater than you can ever imagine.
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Post by Super Communist on Jul 29, 2012 7:48:19 GMT -5
Sure, that sounds impressive; until you realize the human population is made of up six to seven billion people. Why should we use top notched humans when they make up less than five percent of the human populace?
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 29, 2012 9:16:19 GMT -5
Sure, that sounds impressive; until you realize the human population is made of up six to seven billion people. Why should we use top notched humans when they make up less than five percent of the human populace? Hard labor men/woman aren't less than 5% of the populace. Neither are firefighters, policemen, plumbers, or soldiers. Any human accustomed to working in extremely hazardous situations is a great potential candidate for this matchup.
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Post by Super Communist on Jul 29, 2012 9:33:48 GMT -5
Since when did heavy lifting=bravery and combat skill? Firefighters are trained to deal with fire, not attacking animals. Not all officers are fit. ? Not all soldiers have the skills to subdue a large, attacking, wolf. Flawed logic. Magicians are know to preform life threatening tricks, but it doesn't mean one will be able to summon the courage to face an attacking wolf.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 29, 2012 10:01:28 GMT -5
1. Policemen and soldiers are experienced with aggressive confrontation so I'd say they have a fighting chance (that pic was pretty funny I have to admit)
2. firefighters sometimes go into burning buildings to rescue people trapped inside. Plumbers work in environments with potentially hazardous chemicals. (Ok I admit the plumber example was stupidity on my part)
3. Hard laborers such as miners or construction workers are experienced in heavy lifting and working in potentially life threatening situations (cave-ins or hanging from buildings). I'd also give them a fighting chance.
4. Have you seen, The Most Dangerous gang on national geographic? MS13 is one of the deadliest, most violent gangs in America. If members aren't loyal, they're dead. What do you think a veteran member of that gang would do to a wolf if his life was in danger?
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Post by Anomonyous on Jul 29, 2012 10:01:51 GMT -5
72 million dogs in america 36 fatalities per year 2 million snakes in america 0.4 fatalities per year But do remember that snakes are extremely docile, placid animals. Dogs are aggressive dominant mammals, and people constantly think that they are safe to be around. When someone has a 200lb python they usually take necessary precautions with it, a python that gets big enough to kill someone is generally a python that is well taken care of, whereas any idiot can buy an aggressive big dog. I was really talking about the chances with all dogs and all snakes taken into consideration, not the chances for individuals. (though that's interesting too) And it looks like my number would be incorrect then: Your chance of being attacked by a pet dog is actually much higher than 16x. After all, that number counts deaths only, and I'm sure the vast majority of people attacked by dogs and snakes do not die.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 29, 2012 21:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Jul 30, 2012 16:50:49 GMT -5
For more information, check reply #3 1. The reason wolves survive ungulate kicks because of the inaccuracy of the strike. A caribou isn't even looking at a wolf when it kicks. It just bucks its hips backward in a stiff manner. Compared to a human fighter who throws his entire mass into a strike and can do it in rapid succession with equal power behind all the blows. Not to mention, humans too have often survived getting kicked by horses or thrown around by rodeo bulls. 2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaflgNkePKM Woman breaks 750LB of ice with elbow. 3. A wolf, due to its intellect and anatomical limitations is far more restricted in its options of attack and defense. A human is more aware of the wolf's weapon and what it can do to him. A wolf will be baffled by manuevers the human can do to him. Does a wolf have an answer to being: a) Headlocked b) The man grabbing and twisting the wolf's limb to the side, breaking it useless c) Hitting/stabbing eyes, nose, ears of the wolf to force release. d) smashing his ribs with a roundhouse kick e) Weapon improvisation Among various other things? There are SO many things a man can do to a wolf compared to what the wolf can do to a man. The wolf just has his jaw. That's it. We have hands, arms, legs, and brains on our side. 4. As soon as the wolf rushes in the bite your leg, he is exposed to the other 3 limbs. Unlike a chimp who can grapple as well as bite the man, a wolf has no way to shut off the other 3 defenses. The moment he bites your leg is the perfect time to jab his eyes, kick his groin, fall on top of him and pin him down. 5. Who says the man has to be unarmed? He can grab a machete or hammer nearby and cudgel the wolf with it. To say a human must be unarmed is like saying, "a dog should be muzzled otherwise it can bite and that's unfair." It's totally false. If you were fighting a wolf and there happened to be a weapon nearby, would you throw it away just to "make it fair"? NO. You would use it against the wolf. I sure do think it's about time we wise up and show our race the proper respect and credit we deserve! There was once a 73-year-old man in Kenya who dropped his machete and killed a leopardess with his bare hands.
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Post by Anomonyous on Jul 30, 2012 17:58:54 GMT -5
And there was also this dude who got killed by a chicken with a knife on it.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jul 30, 2012 20:56:57 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQ7qIJGhQs The dog had a head start but the policeman still managed to land the kick. The point is- the man's punch or kick will connect before the wolf can land a bite.
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