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Post by Super Communist on Dec 23, 2011 13:56:28 GMT -5
 An orangutan's standing height averages from 4 to 5 ft (1.2 to 1.5 m). On average, an orangutan weighs between 73 to 180 pounds (33 to 82 kg).[5] Males can weigh up to 250 lb (110 kg) or more.[6] Orangutan hands are similar to humans' hands; they have four long fingers and an opposable thumb. Their feet have four long toes and an opposable big toe. Orangutans can grasp things with both their hands and their feet. The largest males have an arm span of about 7.5 ft (2 m). Orangutans have a large, bulky body, a thick neck, very long, strong arms, short, bowed legs, and no tail. They are mostly covered with long reddish-brown hair, although this differs between the species: Sumatran Orangutans have a more sparse and lighter coloured coat. The orangutan has a large head with a prominent mouth area. Adult males have large cheek flaps (which get larger as the ape ages)[8] that show their dominance to other males and their readiness to mate. The age of maturity for females is approximately 12 years. On average, orangutans may live about 35 years in the wild, and up to 60 years in captivity (though it is unknown what the typical lifespan of the orangutan in the wild is and many would certainly live much longer).[9] Both sexes have throat pouches located near their vocal chords that make their calls resonate through the forest, although the males' pouches are more developed.[9] There is significant sexual dimorphism: females can grow to around 4 ft 2 in or 127 cm and weigh around 100 lb (45 kg) while flanged adult males can reach 5 ft 9 in or 175 cm in height and weigh over 260 lb (118 kg). vs  Python reticulatus, also known as the (Asiatic) reticulated python[3] is a species of python found in Southeast Asia. Adults can grow to over 8.7 m (28 feet) in length[4] but normally grow to an average of 3-6 m (10–20 feet). They are the world's longest snakes and longest reptile, but are not the most heavily built. Like all pythons, they are nonvenomous constrictors and normally not considered dangerous to humans. Although large specimens are powerful enough to kill an adult human, attacks are only occasionally reported. |
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Post by Reticulatus on Dec 23, 2011 14:08:31 GMT -5
hey thanks!
i give a big male orang a fighting chance. a good bite to the snakes head or spine could save the ape. most cases though i say the snake is to strong and that is why apes fear them
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Post by Super Communist on Dec 23, 2011 14:11:43 GMT -5
Pythons are a lot more durable than they look;
If a python can survive multiple bites from an alligator an orangutan's should do virtually nothing.
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Post by Reticulatus on Dec 23, 2011 14:35:51 GMT -5
i agree they are durable. i was stating that because human survivors of large python attacks usally say the surrvived by biting the snake back. if our bite can save us why not our cousins who sit in trees chewing all day?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Dec 23, 2011 15:59:26 GMT -5
The snakes tail has alot of nerve ending so its a good place to bite if your attacked. I think that only under special circumstances could the ape win.
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Post by Super Communist on Dec 23, 2011 19:43:58 GMT -5
i agree they are durable. i was stating that because human survivors of large python attacks usally say the surrvived by biting the snake back. if our bite can save us why not our cousins who sit in trees chewing all day? I think the people were chewing into the snakes head/gripping it for a minute or more. I am not sure if an orangutan can manage to get a head bite in the first place with their much shorter stature. |
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Post by Anomonyous on Dec 23, 2011 20:59:29 GMT -5
i agree they are durable. i was stating that because human survivors of large python attacks usally say the surrvived by biting the snake back. if our bite can save us why not our cousins who sit in trees chewing all day? This is a reticulated python, not an African rock python. The snake in Venemous Dragon's video was a Burmese. Humans are also capable of surprisingly high bite forces compared to our more ape-ish relatives. |
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Post by Canid Cetus Aves on Dec 24, 2011 15:12:46 GMT -5
I think the snake would win this fight because of the lack of the ape's weapons. And again, as I said in the Wildcat vs. Indian Python thread, if the snake got a good bite, it would immediately coil up around the ape. And since python teeth are curved backwards, it would be very hard for the ape to get the snake of.
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Post by jumbo on May 16, 2012 0:55:02 GMT -5
Orangutan's incredible superhuman strength, dexterity, aggression, and intelligence would make it a rough ride for a snake. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/physical-characteristics.htm an orangutan is about 7 times stronger than a man. Orangutans have powerful jaws capable of cracking, crushing, and chewing fibrous foods such as fruit with spiny coverings, nuts, and tree bark. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/behavior.htm "Males are generally intolerant of each other and will avoid each other in overlapping home ranges. If two males meet, a confrontation is likely to occur. Threatening displays often include staring, inflating their throat pouches, producing long call vocalizations, and shaking branches. Orangutans use sticks to help knock fruit down from trees and as visual deterrents when threatened (shaking and/or throwing them) www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EWkR_i0mns Orangutan's grip strength www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SMJsn4eWJw Sheesh. He looks as big as some gorillas. Also how is a snake going to get a good bite on the ape through all that hair? news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7999909.stm Man bites snake and forces it to release him Orangutan's super strength, bite force, intelligence, and powerful hands will give that snake hell. And he can also grab a rock or log to try and batter the snake off. Not a great match for a snake. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 16, 2012 8:21:33 GMT -5
Orangutan's incredible superhuman strength, dexterity, aggression, and intelligence would make it a rough ride for a snake. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/physical-characteristics.htm an orangutan is about 7 times stronger than a man. Orangutans have powerful jaws capable of cracking, crushing, and chewing fibrous foods such as fruit with spiny coverings, nuts, and tree bark. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/behavior.htm "Males are generally intolerant of each other and will avoid each other in overlapping home ranges. If two males meet, a confrontation is likely to occur. Threatening displays often include staring, inflating their throat pouches, producing long call vocalizations, and shaking branches. Orangutans use sticks to help knock fruit down from trees and as visual deterrents when threatened (shaking and/or throwing them) www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EWkR_i0mns Orangutan's grip strength www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SMJsn4eWJw Sheesh. He looks as big as some gorillas. Also how is a snake going to get a good bite on the ape through all that hair? news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7999909.stm Man bites snake and forces it to release him Orangutan's super strength, bite force, intelligence, and powerful hands will give that snake hell. And he can also grab a rock or log to try and batter the snake off. Not a great match for a snake. The snake is stronger and once the snake gets a couple coils around its prey its as good as dead. anacondas have continued to kill capybara despite getting huge bite wounds, nothing short of short of attacking the head simply will not guarantee an escape. |
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Post by jumbo on May 16, 2012 11:46:00 GMT -5
Orangutan's incredible superhuman strength, dexterity, aggression, and intelligence would make it a rough ride for a snake. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/physical-characteristics.htm an orangutan is about 7 times stronger than a man. Orangutans have powerful jaws capable of cracking, crushing, and chewing fibrous foods such as fruit with spiny coverings, nuts, and tree bark. www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/behavior.htm "Males are generally intolerant of each other and will avoid each other in overlapping home ranges. If two males meet, a confrontation is likely to occur. Threatening displays often include staring, inflating their throat pouches, producing long call vocalizations, and shaking branches. Orangutans use sticks to help knock fruit down from trees and as visual deterrents when threatened (shaking and/or throwing them) www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EWkR_i0mns Orangutan's grip strength www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SMJsn4eWJw Sheesh. He looks as big as some gorillas. Also how is a snake going to get a good bite on the ape through all that hair? news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7999909.stm Man bites snake and forces it to release him Orangutan's super strength, bite force, intelligence, and powerful hands will give that snake hell. And he can also grab a rock or log to try and batter the snake off. Not a great match for a snake. The snake is stronger and once the snake gets a couple coils around its prey its as good as dead. anacondas have continued to kill capybara despite getting huge bite wounds, nothing short of short of attacking the head simply will not guarantee an escape. Comparing a capybara to a great ape? A capybara doesn't have monstrously powerful hands with which to break a snake's grip. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8Gw_Lqjvs Austin Stevens wrestles and restrains Anaconda in water. I don't see why a muscular 100KG Orangutan cannot do the same. I remember reading Orangutans have the highest strength to weight ratio of any primate. Makes sense due to their tree swinging lifestyle Back on Carnivora, Scottwolverine111 posted an instance where a crocodile took 1 HR to kill a baboon. 1 HR to kill a little 55-60LB monkey. I'll see if I can locate it As a side note does anyone know of interactions between these 2 animals? I mean Reticulated pythons are found in Borneo so they must have interacted sometime |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 16, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
The snake is stronger and once the snake gets a couple coils around its prey its as good as dead. anacondas have continued to kill capybara despite getting huge bite wounds, nothing short of short of attacking the head simply will not guarantee an escape. Comparing a capybara to a great ape? A capybara doesn't have monstrously powerful hands with which to break a snake's grip. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8Gw_Lqjvs Austin Stevens wrestles and restrains Anaconda in water. I don't see why a muscular 100KG Orangutan cannot do the same. I remember reading Orangutans have the highest strength to weight ratio of any primate. Makes sense due to their tree swinging lifestyle Back on Carnivora, Scottwolverine111 posted an instance where a crocodile took 1 HR to kill a baboon. 1 HR to kill a little 55-60LB monkey. I'll see if I can locate it As a side note does anyone know of interactions between these 2 animals? I mean Reticulated pythons are found in Borneo so they must have interacted sometime Your not trying to argue that the orangutang is stronger than the snake are you? and rodents have very nasty bites and at the size of a capybara the bite does a good deal of damage. boas and pythons are basically tubes of muscle, the steve austin show means nothing, they generally use captive animals for those show to ensure that the target animal is found, even steve irwin did this, this also makes the animals easy to handle because they are familiar with humans. www.theblaze.com/stories/21-foot-python-found-next-to-japanese-mans-dead-body-but-did-it-kill-him/www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/10/nebraska-man-killed-pet-snake-police-say/www.wowt.com/home/headlines/96005609.htmlReticulated pythons occasionally prey on orangutan |
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Post by jumbo on May 16, 2012 14:57:22 GMT -5
Comparing a capybara to a great ape? A capybara doesn't have monstrously powerful hands with which to break a snake's grip. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8Gw_Lqjvs Austin Stevens wrestles and restrains Anaconda in water. I don't see why a muscular 100KG Orangutan cannot do the same. I remember reading Orangutans have the highest strength to weight ratio of any primate. Makes sense due to their tree swinging lifestyle Back on Carnivora, Scottwolverine111 posted an instance where a crocodile took 1 HR to kill a baboon. 1 HR to kill a little 55-60LB monkey. I'll see if I can locate it As a side note does anyone know of interactions between these 2 animals? I mean Reticulated pythons are found in Borneo so they must have interacted sometime Your not trying to argue that the orangutang is stronger than the snake are you? and rodents have very nasty bites and at the size of a capybara the bite does a good deal of damage. boas and pythons are basically tubes of muscle, the steve austin show means nothing, they generally use captive animals for those show to ensure that the target animal is found, even steve irwin did this, this also makes the animals easy to handle because they are familiar with humans. www.theblaze.com/stories/21-foot-python-found-next-to-japanese-mans-dead-body-but-did-it-kill-him/www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/10/nebraska-man-killed-pet-snake-police-say/www.wowt.com/home/headlines/96005609.htmlReticulated pythons occasionally prey on orangutan They prey on adult males or just females and young? Most likely the latter since predators are opportunists. And I didn't say orangutans are stronger than snakes. I don't know the answer to that. The men in those instances were average city Johns. Guys I know would rip the snake in half if confronted with the same situation. Again- a capybara doesn't have monstrously powerful and dexterous hands with which to pry a constricting snake loose. An orangutan is much stronger, more flexible and can do damage from every position. As soon as the snake latches onto the ape, the orangutan will be squeezing, crushing, and biting the snake without mercy. There is NO way the snake is winning the double race of getting to its target and avoid the orangutan's counterassault. The orangutan is far more intelligent. That's a major advantage for the ape. www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/09/idUSN09172313 Old man fights off snake with rocks. So no, an orangutan isn't going to flail helplessly and be killed in a pathetic fashion as some people are imagining. I really detest this view that Great Apes are inferior, poor fighters. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 16, 2012 15:11:22 GMT -5
They prey on adult males or just females and young? Most likely the latter since predators are opportunists. And I didn't say orangutans are stronger than snakes. I don't know the answer to that. The men in those instances were average city Johns. Guys I know would rip the snake in half if confronted with the same situation. Again- a capybara doesn't have monstrously powerful and dexterous hands with which to pry a constricting snake loose. An orangutan is much stronger, more flexible and can do damage from every position. As soon as the snake latches onto the ape, the orangutan will be squeezing, crushing, and biting the snake without mercy. There is NO WAY the snake is winning the double race of getting to its target and avoid the orangutan's counterassault. The orangutan is far more intelligent. That's a major advantage for the ape. He can improvise a makeshift weapon to try and beat off the snake. Orangutans have been well documented using tools. www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/09/idUSN09172313 Old man fights off snake with rocks. So no, an orangutan isn't going to flail helplessly and be killed in a pathetic fashion as some people are imagining. I really detest this view that Great Apes are inferior, poor fighters. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..you do not know guys who would rip a reticulated python in half(dont take the laughing to heart i simply found you saying that humerous), those guys may have be average joes but one of those snakes was only 9ft long, reticulated pythons can more than double that length. I dont think you understand how big this animal is and i dont think the ape will flail helplessly, i think it will be barley able to move while the python squeezes the air from its lounges.    this is not a mere boa constrictor, this is the longest snake in world. The longest snake on EARTH |
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Post by Anomonyous on May 16, 2012 16:04:22 GMT -5
As strong as an orangutan is, a python is much, much stronger. This isn't a ball python, it's a monster that could probably kill leopards in daytime.
I am presuming that no weapons are allowed here, but even if they were, throwing sticks and pebbles at a 25 foot python would do little more than deter it. In a deathmatch, any such play is unlikely to matter.
If I recall, UltimateGrid stated that reticulated pythons were in fact quite intelligent. This particular one his friend had, he said, was the smartest snake he'd ever seen.
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