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Post by mobster on Nov 27, 2012 15:48:03 GMT -5
Lionesses are actually quite intelligent, far from dumb. Lions are the biggest idiots on planet earth. Massive cowards and incompetent groupies who suck at hunting and fighting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_gLms-CdM Vulture outsmarts the egghead lion. |
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Post by mobster on Nov 27, 2012 15:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by rhino on Mar 29, 2013 1:29:51 GMT -5
Bears have highly varied weight averages depending on where they live, so honestly I have no idea what you guys are talking about. costal bears average far larger but some populations average about the same size as lions. Even if you use a smaller bear subspecies the lion would struggle due to his lack of balance in an upright position. Lions have weak hindquarters and can only stand upright in short bursts. Big disadvantage when facing a bear. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 29, 2013 1:54:30 GMT -5
Bears have highly varied weight averages depending on where they live, so honestly I have no idea what you guys are talking about. costal bears average far larger but some populations average about the same size as lions. Even if you use a smaller bear subspecies the lion would struggle due to his lack of balance in an upright position. Lions have weak hindquarters and can only stand upright in short bursts. Big disadvantage when facing a bear. care to prove that lions have weak hindquarters? besides why would the lion need to stand up anyway? |
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Post by rhino on Apr 1, 2013 21:32:51 GMT -5
I know this from the 300 or so Tiger vs Lion accounts, most of which state that the lion lost because it couldn't stand up on his back legs and use both paws.
It stands on 3 legs and fights 1 paw at a time.
A grizzly, like a tiger, can balance upright better than a lion could and use both paws at the same time.
Being higher up, he can rain blows on the lion's head, neck, ribs, or spine. Whereas the lion could only attack the chest area of a bear.
The bear is also much smarter than a lion. Bears rival apes in intelligence. Something else to consider.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Apr 1, 2013 21:51:48 GMT -5
I asked you to prove it not how you "know" it.
Untill your intellect reaches a point where you can quickly formulate a strategy during combat it's simply not that important.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 19:59:04 GMT -5
Unless the bear just woke up from hibrenation, I dont like the lions chances at all. The lion may be more agile but it doesnt have the strength to pin the bear. Once its close enough the grizzly will maul it down. Bear 8/10.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Aug 2, 2013 14:40:31 GMT -5
Here is the problem for the lion in this fight as rhino said: The lion can only fight with one paw and it stands with 3 paws. A grizzly on the other hand can stand up on it's hind legs, much like a tiger. This means it can land hits just about almost everywhere on the lion. It also depends on the subspecies of Grizzly we are talking about, a Costal one will win, no contest. The African Lion wouldn't stand a chance against any bear from Alaska, just never. An inland one will win as well, because I just do not know how the lion will win at average weights or maximum weights. At parity, maybe the lion would win, but most of the time: It's gonna get swatted and crushed by the grizzly bear.
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Post by rhino on Aug 2, 2013 19:44:42 GMT -5
i backed the tiger over the grizzly but I can't do the same here.
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Post by Old Ephraim on Sept 17, 2014 6:45:18 GMT -5
Historically, the grizzly has never been defeated by either lion or tiger. There are no records, in the wild or in captivity, of a tiger ever killing a healthy mature male grizzly ( brown bear ). However, there are a few cases on record of a lion killing a grizzly - but never in an actual face-off confrontation where both animals were fully aware of each other and knowing they were about to fight. In each and every face-off confrontation that a grizzly has ever had with a big cat; the bear defeated the big cat. 'Nuff said ~
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Post by rhino on Oct 28, 2014 23:00:50 GMT -5
The book California Grizzly talked about a pit fight where a grizzly easily killed an African lion. The same book said that cougars usually beat grizzly bears in fights. Makes perfect sense (sarcasm)
No records of a tiger killing an adult grizzly bear? Brown Bears usually avoid prime age male tigers and prefer to challenge tigresses instead.
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Post by grizzly on Jan 28, 2015 20:02:45 GMT -5
In my own words - The most famous historical wild animal fight ever, at least in the U.S.A. was fought in 1865 in Monterrey, Mexico. Now, if you seek information online concerning this monumental event, you might discover several versions. Unfortunately, ever sense animal face-off blog sites have become popular online, big cat enthusiasts have "reconstructed" the actual information by creating bogus stories.
The actual article printed in The Sacramento Tribune can be seen on the wall of the California State Capital - yes; the actual original news article in the original newspaper. "Grand California event of the Golden Grizzly vs Parnell the man-eating African Lion." The article reads,"The grizzly bear handled the African king as a cat would a rat. The conflict was over so quickly that the spectators hardly realized how it was accomplished."
This fight is detailed in the history of the California Golden Grizzly Bear flag, as perhaps Ramadam greatly influenced the creation of the golden bear flag.
California Grizzly by Tracy I. Storer and Lloyd P. Tevis, Jr. - copyright, 1955.
Before I copy from this wonderful book, understand that home computers did not hit the market until 1977 and were not common until the 1980s. Online animal face-off sites became very popular soon after. Sometime between 1980 and the year 2000, some big cat fanboy created false information regarding the famous fight between Parnell the lion and Ramadam the grizzly. These falsified documents or news clippings are nothing more than trash and lies created by one or several big cat fanatics who cannot handle the truth. Here is the truth, from this book which predates the computer-era animal face-off debates:
Bell ( 1930 : 106 ) mentioned a fight staged in Mexico between a grizzly and a lion that had been imported from Africa: "When, a few years ago, a Los Angeles County grizzly was sent to Monterrey, Mexico, to be pitted against the man-killing African lion 'Parnell' the great Californian handled the African king as a cat would a rat. He killed him so quickly that the big audience hardly knew how it was done."
Here is a sight spreading the fabricated story which is nothing more than an elaborate lie: www.historybanter.com/animal-cage-fighting-in-mexico/
For those who are so foolish as to believe this twisted fantasy, show me this version of the Parnell-Ramadam fight in a history book which predates the computer age - copyrights earlier than 1977. Another matter which needs to be clarified; drawings of Parnell the lion and Ramadam the grizzly were sketched by newspaper artists who were witness to the actual event. What I am seeing here are two mighty predators of near size parity. However, I do agree that Ramadam was likely heavier due to the fact that a grizzly bear is more robust than a lion. grizzly.yuku.com/forums/66#.VA17X010zIU
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Post by Sword on Dec 26, 2015 19:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by Sword on Mar 25, 2016 16:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by Gist. on Mar 17, 2018 23:33:17 GMT -5
Well, for sure, the sites linked in the previous two posts makes it quite plain, historical evidence-wise.
Stands to reason too, that the ultra-aggressive, true-killer hypercarnivore, & top panthera, is boss.
His Majesty - Leo, 'King of beasts', out-guns the fat-boy grizz Bruin, & in all meaningful combat capabilities, due
to his evolutionary adaptations, power-physiology, & a real brutal upbringing-training - to wrest his postion as boss.
The grizz dies under the merciless onslaught, its the same deal as the lion meted out - back in the pre-tech human epoch..
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