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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 20, 2012 21:42:53 GMT -5
Well, I think we consider all weights, averages, and determine which is more likely to win.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Feb 20, 2012 21:46:41 GMT -5
Well, I think we consider all weights, averages, and determine which is more likely to win. 1'500lbs is well within the average for a male saltwater crocodile, and there are animals twice as big. Never has there been any evidence to support that any cat can tackle an adult saltwater crocodile, even a small one. It's clear that the cat is in over its head.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Feb 20, 2012 21:48:44 GMT -5
Hasn't there been reports of it happening though. From what I heard. There was one where a Tiger killed an 1,800 lbs Saltie. According to this video. Then again it could be false. Who knows. I am almost certain that this is false, NO cat could flip a 1'800lb crocodile, and if it did, that crocodile has the strength to easily right itself again. They can death roll while carrying their own weight on their backs, and it's not like a crocodile will just lie on its back and give up while the tiger gnaws on it. I figured it'd be false. Anyway I think the Crocodile would win this fight most of the time.
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Post by Felis Rex on Feb 21, 2012 0:05:39 GMT -5
Im finally catching on here, this forum is full of reptile fans that got punked out of Carnivora so instead of succumbing to the facts you made your own forum where you could support reptiles against all comers and pat each other on the back about it.... (this is just ribbing, dont get your panties in a twist) Unless the croc has ambush on its side there is really nothing the reptile can do against the cat; consider its superior speed, reflexes and agility. Given that the croc has a devistating bite, then thats about it isnt it. There is very very slim chance that the bite will actually land on a tiger thats ready for it, the tigers going to dance around the croc as it waddles around with its mouth agape attempting to hone in on a target that beyond its capacity, the bigger the croc the easier this tactic is going to be. Before anyone jumps on and says something about the tail, dont fool yourself into thinking the cat wont be aware of it. Once in position the tiger can position itself swiftly on the crocs back and finish it, or not, but still inflict sufficient damage, if its not finished, rinse and repeat. The crocs best chances are to retreat. It's pretty obvious that you want this fight to take place in the water (and why not it favors the croc right? That way the reptile has a better chance) but I would favor the croc only in deep water, more than chest high on the cat. If the water is deeper than that I would call this a fixed fight.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 21, 2012 0:11:24 GMT -5
Im finally catching on here, this forum is full of reptile fans that got punked out of Carnivora so instead of succumbing to the facts you made your own forum where you could support reptiles against all comers and pat each other on the back about it.... (this is just ribbing, dont get your panties in a twist) While I agree there is some truth here I wouldn't have put it so harshly and I disagree in this particular instance-saltwater crocodiles are to big for tigers.
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Post by Super Communist on Feb 21, 2012 0:55:55 GMT -5
I think your overestimating the speed and agility of the tiger or underestimating the crocodiles. Obviously this crocodile is going to be faster than a fifteen hundred pounder but I think its a fair comparison, since a tiger wading in water is going to be less nimble than a lioness on dry land.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Feb 21, 2012 1:00:45 GMT -5
Just as a heads up felis you forgot about death rolls, the croc side is gonna bring that up. As for this "rejected reptile fans thing" indeed some of us are rejected and most are reptile fans but i think what this is really about is you mammal ( i like mammals aswell just less than lizards) fans are not used to being outnumbered and this is how your acting out your insecurities. dont worry scared little warm bloods, we will get more members and you can feel safe again.
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Post by Super Communist on Feb 21, 2012 1:11:55 GMT -5
Neat little clip where a crocodile breaks one of Steve's ribs from a little swing of the head;
0:25-0:37.
Obviously a tigers much quicker and tougher than Steve but I do think were underestimating the sheer strength of a crocodile.
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Post by Felis Rex on Feb 21, 2012 16:38:21 GMT -5
Im just filling a role here, no insecurties, but someone needs to be saying these things, its not really a versus debate if everyones just sitting around agreeing with one another.
I agree the saltie is the cream of the crop when it comes to extent reptiles, however when a terrestrial animal and an amphibious animal face off it should be on neutral ground. As the croc is amphibious it is adapted to dwell on land and water, the tiger only on land, alas you have your neutral ground; land. That being established, the larger a croc is the less agile and more pondersome they become when moving about on land, however I welcome you to prove me wrong.
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Post by Taurus on Feb 21, 2012 17:56:04 GMT -5
Well, I think we consider all weights, averages, and determine which is more likely to win. 1'500lbs is well within the average for a male saltwater crocodile, and there are animals twice as big. Never has there been any evidence to support that any cat can tackle an adult saltwater crocodile, even a small one.It's clear that the cat is in over its head. A small one is still fair for a tiger. It is true that larger crocodiles beside gharials are immune to big cats' attacks. However any crocodiles less than 12 feet long remained unsafe from big cats' attacks.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 21, 2012 18:00:47 GMT -5
I agree the saltie is the cream of the crop when it comes to extent reptiles, however when a terrestrial animal and an amphibious animal face off it should be on neutral ground. As the croc is amphibious it is adapted to dwell on land and water, the tiger only on land, alas you have your neutral ground; land. Tigers wade in water all the time, crocs would never pick a fight on land. I think they're most likely to fight one another in shallow water, and it's the fairest set up anyway.
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Post by Felis Rex on Feb 21, 2012 18:22:13 GMT -5
I agree the saltie is the cream of the crop when it comes to extent reptiles, however when a terrestrial animal and an amphibious animal face off it should be on neutral ground. As the croc is amphibious it is adapted to dwell on land and water, the tiger only on land, alas you have your neutral ground; land. Tigers wade in water all the time, crocs would never pick a fight on land. I think they're most likely to fight one another in shallow water, and it's the fairest set up anyway. ...but its really not. I see how you would think that though, but tigers are not aquatic, semiaquatic or amphibious in anyway. Its true that they like water to some extent, more than most cats but they certainly arent at home in the water. Crocodiles are much better adapted to land that tigers are to water.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Feb 21, 2012 18:26:11 GMT -5
1'500lbs is well within the average for a male saltwater crocodile, and there are animals twice as big. Never has there been any evidence to support that any cat can tackle an adult saltwater crocodile, even a small one.It's clear that the cat is in over its head. A small one is still fair for a tiger. It is true that larger crocodiles beside gharials are immune to big cats' attacks. However any crocodiles less than 12 feet long remained unsafe from big cats' attacks. A small adult saltie is around 14 feet long, and I have never heard of a croc this being being killed by a single cat.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 21, 2012 18:29:54 GMT -5
Crocodiles are much better adapted to land that tigers are to water. I agree with this statement, but remember we're talking about 2-4 feet of water. The tiger can still stand. Practically all crocs do on land is sleep, they are not adapted for combat in water and on land.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Feb 21, 2012 18:30:26 GMT -5
Tigers wade in water all the time, crocs would never pick a fight on land. I think they're most likely to fight one another in shallow water, and it's the fairest set up anyway. ...but its really not. I see how you would think that though, but tigers are not aquatic, semiaquatic or amphibious in anyway. Its true that they like water to some extent, more than most cats but they certainly arent at home in the water. Crocodiles are much better adapted to land that tigers are to water. Tigers spend about as much time in water as crocs do on land, shallow water is a fair location for this battle.
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