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Post by Super Communist on Jan 28, 2012 16:12:16 GMT -5
I am not sure if that is going to be effective against a heavily armored, low slung, half ton animal.
That has nothing to do with intelligence.
Even unintelligent lizards can wrestle.
Both of those bears are young brown bears and are presumably more agile than eight to fifteen hundred pound polar bear.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jan 28, 2012 17:18:15 GMT -5
Beaded lizards and the Gila monster are related to monitors which are by no means unintelligent lizards.
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Post by Anomonyous on Jan 28, 2012 20:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Jan 28, 2012 20:26:18 GMT -5
Sure it could. Tackling the with the forearms in a charge could catch the crocodile off guard and flip it over.
I will refer you to Venomous Dragon's post.
Being able to run up to 25 mph, polar bears are by no means slow.
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Post by Super Communist on Jan 28, 2012 23:17:24 GMT -5
Easier said than done. Gorillas are related to humans, but I doubt anyone would suggest that their intelligence is on the same league as us. Never said that they were, but being able to run fast doesn't mean that they can easily dodge a crocodile's bite. If a crocodile can nab a lioness on dry land, it can catch a polar bear in water.
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Post by Anomonyous on Jan 29, 2012 13:32:43 GMT -5
Sure it could. Tackling the with the forearms in a charge could catch the crocodile off guard and flip it over. Which would be easy if the crocodile was a 5 pound rock statue.
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Jan 29, 2012 15:50:25 GMT -5
Gorillas are quite close though. But anyways, WHAT RELEVANCE does this have this debate?
On land, it would actually be quite easy.
This example of cherry picking. Despite biting the lioness' head, the crocodile looks like it is in a much worse situation than the lioness. And that is also a rather small crocodile, not 5-6 meter long lumbering giant.
You're statement is rooted in reality. A black bear can flip over a 170 kg boulder with a single paw. I'm pretty sure a polar bear could flip over something the same size as it with both paws.
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Post by Super Communist on Jan 29, 2012 16:42:35 GMT -5
Venom claims that beaded lizards are intelligent because they are related to monitor lizards and you claim that it requires high intelligence to grapple with other animals efficiently. But neither of you have given me any solid evidence.
Did you see the picture I posted?
Maybe because its being attacked by an entire pride on dry land.
And a fifteen hundred polar bear is going to be a lot slower and less agile than a three hundred pound lioness, especially when its wading through water.
Difference between a non moving object and a struggling animal.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jan 29, 2012 17:06:38 GMT -5
Commie there is probably no studies on beaded lizard or gila monster intelligence. The only thing i have to go off of is one of there closest relatives the monitors.
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Post by Anomonyous on Jan 29, 2012 22:22:17 GMT -5
You're statement is rooted in reality. A black bear can flip over a 170 kg boulder with a single paw. I'm pretty sure a polar bear could flip over something the same size as it with both paws. It's too bad that the crocodile isn't a 1 ton statue either. This example of cherry picking. Despite biting the lioness' head, the crocodile looks like it is in a much worse situation than the lioness. And that is also a rather small crocodile, not 5-6 meter long lumbering giant. Yeah, because about 4 other lions and lionesses were attacking it, although the picture only shows 1. A polar bear is no less a lumbering giant in its strikes.
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Post by Ultimategrid on Jan 30, 2012 0:46:20 GMT -5
Are we honestly discussing the possibility of a polar bear flipping a crocodile over? Even if the polar bear could accomplish that, why would it? If the polar bear is going to act anything like it does with other large prey, it will attempt to restrain the croc by getting on top, and anchoring its claws in. This would obviously be a bad idea considering the possibility of a death roll.
Can anyone show me a polar bear knocking over a large seal, or walrus in the matter Deino described? If not I'm going to assume it would try to handle the crocodile the same way it does a walrus, which would make the win easier for the crocodile than vice versa.
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Jan 31, 2012 22:00:49 GMT -5
Yep! A crocodile is being flipped over as well. 1. I was talking about a land scenario. 2. A 1,500 lb. polar bear is extremely rare, much like a healthy, 300 lb. human. Most polar bears do not exceed 1,200 lbs. these days. Yeah, inanimate objects tend to have a lighter load because only organism is flipping over. But it is not meant to say a crocodile is a rock, but rather a bear has the strength to flip it over. And since a crocodile is a rather sluggish creature on land, flipping it over should not be of much trouble for a bear. 1. Yes we are. 2. The belly of a crocodile is soft and unprotected, making it vulnerable to attack when laying on its back. REALLY? Just how is comparing an enormous blob of fat to a skinny reptile supposed to work?
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Post by Super Communist on Jan 31, 2012 22:10:53 GMT -5
At its own will.
Yes the bear does have the potential to flip it over, but I find it unlikely because the presumably larger crocodile will be thrashing around violently.
Probably end up with a mangled arm though.
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Post by Anomonyous on Feb 1, 2012 19:03:41 GMT -5
The tail is a potent weapon too. It's not just the jaws.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Feb 1, 2012 19:19:56 GMT -5
The tail of a croc could probably do a fair amount of damage indeed.
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