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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 5, 2013 21:42:19 GMT -5
Is there reason to believe the dragons venom would be potent enough to take out an animal in that weight range. Were talking a few tons of body mass to absorb the applied venom. Well it is potent enough to kill it as long as it managed to get enough venom into the rhino, which would likely in a say predator prey scenario take multiple attacks. It would likely play little role in a fight if thats what you are asking.
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Post by Felis Rex on May 5, 2013 22:04:02 GMT -5
whats the fatal dose of ora venom per tissue mass though... How many ml of venom does an ora have in its glands? This stuff needs to be addressed in light of these many dragon threads floating around here lately.
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Post by rhino on May 5, 2013 22:19:17 GMT -5
If tigers have been gored by gaurs I doubt a slower megalania can move fast enough to dodge the bovid's horns.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 5, 2013 22:40:42 GMT -5
whats the fatal dose of ora venom per tissue mass though... How many ml of venom does an ora have in its glands? This stuff needs to be addressed in light of these many dragon threads floating around here lately. I dont think the komodo's venom has been studied extensively (compared to many snakes) as I am hard pressed to find any info on ots potency.
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Post by Felis Rex on May 5, 2013 22:43:50 GMT -5
I think thats varanid venom in general. I have read it is similar to taipan venom, but in that case why hadn't it been discovered earlier
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Post by rhino on May 5, 2013 22:45:07 GMT -5
As for komodos killing water buffalos, the first bites were from ambush/hunting situations. For the video, you can see the buffalo is able to fending off a dragon. If the female buffalo wants to kill a dragon, she can do it easily in a minute. Megalania cannot be that quickly compared to their smaller cousins at that size but I think Megalania's size might offer some protection from a gaur and it has a chance to kill a gaur. The megalania will try to bite the gaur but the gaur will stomp, kick, flip the lizard, and stab it to death.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 5, 2013 23:17:02 GMT -5
As for komodos killing water buffalos, the first bites were from ambush/hunting situations. For the video, you can see the buffalo is able to fending off a dragon. If the female buffalo wants to kill a dragon, she can do it easily in a minute. Megalania cannot be that quickly compared to their smaller cousins at that size but I think Megalania's size might offer some protection from a gaur and it has a chance to kill a gaur. The megalania will try to bite the gaur but the gaur will stomp, kick, flip the lizard, and stab it to death. Flip it? no, no it wont. the fact is megalania needs one bite almost anywhere and it will cause massive blood lose.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 5, 2013 23:18:19 GMT -5
I think thats varanid venom in general. I have read it is similar to taipan venom, but in that case why hadn't it been discovered earlier Ive also heard that its similar to gila monster's
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Post by rhino on May 5, 2013 23:20:05 GMT -5
I've seen a buffalo grabbed by a crocodile and struggle and pull the reptile onto land.
And another case where a buffalo punched a hole in a crocodile's side and threw the reptile as if it weighed nothing.
tells me the larger gaur, with its much more muscular neck, can do more than decent here
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Post by Reticulatus on May 5, 2013 23:24:16 GMT -5
Horn design, fighting stance and method, higher center of gravity.....
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Post by rhino on May 5, 2013 23:29:05 GMT -5
the gaur's body is more massively built and deeper than that of a buffalo. Buildwise, it's one of it not the most impressively built wild cattle
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 5, 2013 23:32:13 GMT -5
I've seen a buffalo grabbed by a crocodile and struggle and pull the reptile onto land. And another case where a buffalo punched a hole in a crocodile's side and threw the reptile as if it weighed nothing. tells me the larger gaur, with its much more muscular neck, can do more than decent here and how big was the croc? Megalania has a low center of gravity and similar mass to guar, its not going to be throwing the lizard all over the place, it is also more mobile than a crocodile and while it may not be as fast as komodos it was likely just as explosive. I wouldnt be surprised in the least if megalania was stronger than the gaur. if the lizard bites one of its legs, Its entire offense goes to hell, it would lack its former stability and power all the while growing weaker by the second due to massive blood loss and envenomation.
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Post by rhino on May 5, 2013 23:36:37 GMT -5
if megalania goes for the gaur's leg, the bovine can simply put his head down and fend off the lizard with its horns.
the megalania (depending on size estimate) might be as strong as a gaur but the gaur can exert that strength more effectively.
For instance a gaur can slam into a tree and topple it or flip over a rock. While a megalania couldn't.
It's a bit hard to explain over the internet but you get what i mean
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 6, 2013 0:09:10 GMT -5
if megalania goes for the gaur's leg, the bovine can simply put his head down and fend off the lizard with its horns. the megalania (depending on size estimate) might be as strong as a gaur but the gaur can exert that strength more effectively. For instance a gaur can slam into a tree and topple it or flip over a rock. While a megalania couldn't. It's a bit hard to explain over the internet but you get what i mean Did you watch the video I posted on the first page? if it tries to defend with its horns it could easily get a large portion of its face ripped off. I disagree, The gaur is designed to apply its strength in a diiferent way, that does not make it better at exerting its strength.
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Post by rhino on May 6, 2013 0:59:51 GMT -5
1. I watched it. The buffalo cow looked very weak and skinny. She was making minimal effort to fight back despite having a calf with her.
2. The asian buffalo's horns are widely spaced apart and curve backwards. The gaur's horns are placed closer together, meaning they are better positioned to stab an opponent.
3. The komodo dragon is much smaller than a buffalo and thus would have an easier time avoiding the buffalo's attacks due to being a lesser target. The larger megalania wouldn't have that option here.
4. The gaur is much more heavily built and muscled than a buffalo.
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