Human specimen in interspecies conflict

[rhino]

Even if Tyson's punch didn't kill you, you'd be severely incapacitated.

I don't know very much about MMA but yeah I imagine such an MMA fighter is also a decent choice for what human should be used for interspecific conflict.

The reason fatalities aren't amazingly common is because the ref steps in before the damage becomes too serious. And also because top human fighters are excellent at blocking, parrying, and dodging attacks.

There is absolutely NO comparison between the best humans and the average human.

The alpha human is twice as strong, twice as agile, twice as durable, twice as mentally tough, the list goes on and on. You won't know just how huge the bridge is until you have seen such men in action.

But even then, skinny and overweight humans have on occasion pushed past their normal limits when faced with extreme life-threatening situations.

[Venomous Dragon]

I have been around them, I personally have trained in jujutsu, boxing, muay thai, free style and grecko-roman wrestling. I have been trained by and sparred with professtional fighters, even a world class fighter in pele landy (former pride fighter and former member of Chute boxe academy)
I myself am no peak human by any means but I probably know better than you what they are physically capable of and trust me they cannot without a great deal of luck (good or bad pending the situation) kill large animals with a single blow.

[rhino]

I didn't mean that Tyson could kill a lion with a single punch or anything. He could very well handicap a chimp or a similar sized dog with 1 hit though.

This is the source that backs my claim:
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060814-fight-science_2.html The researchers were surprised to find that boxing is the fighting style capable of delivering the most force in a single punch. Boxer Steve Petramale delivered about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of impact force, the equivalent of swinging a sledgehammer into someone's face. His punch, the sensors revealed, starts in the feet and travels up the legs through the hips to the chest and shoulders, multiplying in force as it travels up the body.

And people for some reason keep trying to disregard the mental toughness advantage humans have over animals.

[Venomous Dragon]

Apr 6, 2013 22:35:46 GMT -5 @rhino said:

I didn't mean that Tyson could kill a lion with a single punch or anything. He could very well handicap a chimp or a similar sized dog with 1 hit though.

This is the source that backs my claim:
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060814-fight-science_2.html The researchers were surprised to find that boxing is the fighting style capable of delivering the most force in a single punch. Boxer Steve Petramale delivered about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of impact force, the equivalent of swinging a sledgehammer into someone's face. His punch, the sensors revealed, starts in the feet and travels up the legs through the hips to the chest and shoulders, multiplying in force as it travels up the body.

And people for some reason keep trying to disregard the mental toughness advantage humans have over animals.

when I say large animals I mean like 30lbs and up.
Thats dated, Cain Velasques's left hook hit with 2230lbs but that still does not make it the same as hitting someone in face with a sledge hammer because The sledge hammer would kill you, Shogan Rua's kick was measured 2749lbs they dont pad the man's shins and he has kicked people in the head and none of them died.
Trust me for all the impressive numbers it is still not the same thing.

[rhino]

30 pounds?

I'm confident even the average human could bare handedly kill an animal 30 pounds never mind an elite human warrior.

How believing that makes me an idiot in your eyes I shall never know.

Anyway this is going nowhere so I'm going to stop.

[Venomous Dragon]

Apr 6, 2013 22:57:21 GMT -5 @rhino said:

30 pounds?

I'm confident even the average human could bare handedly kill an animal 30 pounds never mind an elite human warrior.

How believing that makes me an idiot in your eyes I shall never know.

Anyway this is going nowhere so I'm going to stop.

Yes a grown man could kill a 30lb animal but not with one punch to the head and in my post I said they could not kill it with one blow, not that they couldnt kill it.

[rhino]

Well okay then but I still say the best human fighters are capable to taking on stuff like dogs, wolves, chimps, and smaller felines like clouded leopards or a female leopard.

[Venomous Dragon]

Apr 6, 2013 23:28:01 GMT -5 @rhino said:

Well okay then but I still say the best human fighters are capable to taking on stuff like dogs, wolves, chimps, and smaller felines like clouded leopards or a female leopard.

Well thats something to be debated in different threads.

[rhino]

Top fighters aren't the only human candidates that could be used for interspecific conflict.

A man of hard labor like a miner, construction worker, or a farmer is another decent choice.

[rhino]

Apr 6, 2013 22:25:13 GMT -5 Venomous Dragon said:

I have been around them, I personally have trained in jujutsu, boxing, muay thai, free style and grecko-roman wrestling. I have been trained by and sparred with professtional fighters, even a world class fighter in pele landy (former pride fighter and former member of Chute boxe academy)
I myself am no peak human by any means but I probably know better than you what they are physically capable of and trust me they cannot without a great deal of luck (good or bad pending the situation) kill large animals with a single blow.

for someone trained in several fighting disciplines you seem to have a rather dim view of the human race as fighters.

By that I mean you seem to think most humans are poor fighters based on your posts.

[Venomous Dragon]

Apr 7, 2013 2:57:39 GMT -5 @rhino said:

Apr 6, 2013 22:25:13 GMT -5 Venomous Dragon said:

I have been around them, I personally have trained in jujutsu, boxing, muay thai, free style and grecko-roman wrestling. I have been trained by and sparred with professtional fighters, even a world class fighter in pele landy (former pride fighter and former member of Chute boxe academy)
I myself am no peak human by any means but I probably know better than you what they are physically capable of and trust me they cannot without a great deal of luck (good or bad pending the situation) kill large animals with a single blow.

for someone trained in several fighting disciplines you seem to have a rather dim view of the human race as fighters.

By that I mean you seem to think most humans are poor fighters based on your posts.

Most people are poor fighters, I know this because because I know how to fight and most people I meet do not. Average people are not good fighters.

[rhino]

Seriously though, the average everyday human male is massively underestimated in interspecific conflict.

I can name a flood of cases where senior citizens and small children retained their wits and performed at levels beyond what they're normally capable of when they or their loved ones were in danger.

Human individuals who did not represent the peak of our species and STILL rose up to the challenge when faced with potentially life-threatening situations.

[Venomous Dragon]

Apr 7, 2013 19:39:39 GMT -5 @rhino said:

Seriously though, the average everyday human male is massively underestimated in interspecific conflict.

I can name a flood of cases where senior citizens and small children retained their wits and performed at levels beyond what they're normally capable of when they or their loved ones were in danger.

Human individuals who did not represent the peak of our species and STILL rose up to the challenge when faced with potentially life-threatening situations.

And there are plenty of cases where they didnt, we are the most recorded and easily observed species on the planet, anytime we do something out of the ordinary or incredible it is recorded, so there are lots of accounts of this kind of stuff compared to other animals. A fact Human interspecific conflict fans are quick to forget or just dont know.

[rhino]

There is so much double standard when it comes to stuff like this.

I mean, if someone posts an article of a tiger killing an elephant, feline fans go wild and celebrate as if it is the coming of Jesus Christ.

But an account of a man doing something unordinary is considered flimsy and fake?

Whatever. I'm done with this stupid topic.

[rhino]

Call me retarded if you will.

I will say no more because I know what I believe.