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Post by rhino on Mar 27, 2013 23:14:52 GMT -5
Claw injuries will only devastate the moose if they build up in huge amounts. I've never seen a bear or feline fight where they instantly produce massive claw injuries. They will devastate once they accumulate in great amounts. Anyway I don't see how a kodiak bear, an animal that subsists mostly on fruit, vegetable, and small game, have the know-how and experience to kill a moose as heavy if not heavier than itself. Bears typically grab the horns/antlers and try to wrestle which plays right into the moose's favor. If the bear managed to latch onto the moose's side it can pull it down but it will have a hard time making an attack like that.
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Post by rhino on May 10, 2013 7:52:15 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/1996/03/19/science/in-long-running-wolf-moose-drama-wolves-recover-from-disaster.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm Few moose from the ages of two to eight are killed by wolves, he noted. "Prime-age moose are too dangerous to approach," he said. "Moose commonly stand and pugnaciously face the wolves, which take the cue and leave. To my knowledge, no one has ever observed wolves killing a moose that did not run when first confronted by its predators." The front legs of a 900-pound moose are formidable weapons. Dr. Peterson described an old and blind bull moose that stood its ground against a pack of wolves for three days until the predators decided to look elsewhere.Looks like the bear doesn't have much of a chance here. If a wolf pack, more experienced than a bear at killing large prey, struggle with prime age moose, what chance does a bear have?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 10, 2013 9:30:41 GMT -5
Wolves' hunting methods are very different from bears, wolves run prey until they are too tired to fight back, when there plan doesnt turn out why wouldnt they go try it on something else? I just dont see it as very relevant.
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Post by rhino on May 10, 2013 20:06:38 GMT -5
a wolf pack could not kill a blind moose. A single bear, much slower and less experienced in attacking moose than a wolf pack is going to find it almost impossible to kill a prime age moose.
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Post by Felis Rex on May 10, 2013 20:25:31 GMT -5
Wolves depend on their prey to run away, I don't think bears have the same preference.
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Post by rhino on May 10, 2013 21:36:50 GMT -5
bears attack by grabbing and wrestling with the horns/antlers of a herbivore. Which would lead to disaster here.
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Post by rhino on May 10, 2013 22:43:54 GMT -5
Wolves depend on their prey to run away, I don't think bears have the same preference. this is starting to look like the muskox vs grizzly thread where a few people were questioning the herbivore's defensive capabilities. It seems deer are particularly underrated and trashed amongst ungulates. People saying their antlers are weak weapons and what not.
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Post by Felis Rex on May 11, 2013 0:43:05 GMT -5
Keep in mind I was then one favoring the elk over GFH due to the defensive capability of antlers.
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Post by rhino on May 11, 2013 1:41:35 GMT -5
you're okay but some other people stated that antlers were poor weapons which isn't true at all.
anyway, i still don't see a convincing reason for a bear to win this fight more often than not.
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Post by Reticulatus on May 11, 2013 10:31:07 GMT -5
I too am a cervid fan. I like the mooses chances here, but when push comes to the bear may have some advantages. I often find myself the sole supporter of the moose in combat.
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Post by rhino on May 11, 2013 21:29:51 GMT -5
Most people agree the moose will win it seems. It's just a much better armed animal.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 11, 2013 21:39:16 GMT -5
Most people agree the moose will win it seems. It's just a much better armed animal. There is a video of a sow killing a male caribou, she looked to be smaller and physixally weaker then the caribou but still brought it down with no apparent serious injuries. Now moose have better horn for com at but this bear is going to be male and so have better offensive capabilities but also because it is a kodiak bear its going to have layers of fat to help lessen the damage of puncture wounds. And how is the moose so much better armed when only male moose have antlers during partof the year.
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Post by rhino on May 12, 2013 7:37:33 GMT -5
moose has antlers and 4 kicking hooves. Bear has claws and jaws. I'd say the moose has better weaponry
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 12, 2013 10:55:46 GMT -5
moose has antlers and 4 kicking hooves. Bear has claws and jaws. I'd say the moose has better weaponry Moose do not always have antlers although I do agree that they should have them on this but they do not always have them. Given the bears method of attack the moose's hind likely wont come into play at all and its forelimbs also rarely. Realisticly its more like antlers vs jaws and claws.
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Post by rhino on May 12, 2013 11:06:00 GMT -5
on YT, there exists a clip from a BBC documentary where the dominant bull moose inflicted a rather nasty gash to the snout of a rival bull (who was also a prime male)
So yes it does seem antlers/horns are more damaging than some people give them credit for.
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