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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 26, 2012 0:34:54 GMT -5
Also from the same link: Peterson and his pilot found a pack of wolves near a bull moose that, they discovered when they put down on the Lake Superior ice, was blind. They checked throughout the day, but wolves and moose never made contact. The next day, however, they again spotted the blind moose, standing on the ice, surrounded by wolf tracks. They saw no blood; no obvious wounds. The sound of the plane triggered stomping and kicking—the means by which the moose had beaten back its attackers.
So a blind moose can beat back an entire wolf gang. A healthy, normal bull moose can easily concentrate on 1 kodiak.
We don't know if the bear killed a cow moose with no injuries. She was likely already weak from snow drift allowing him to finish her off.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jun 26, 2012 1:35:04 GMT -5
Since when is snow bad for moose? They're adapted for that weather. To assume the moose was weak is... well, an assumption. I could say that bear is weakened from hibernation. It's no less likely.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 26, 2012 4:31:45 GMT -5
If a blind moose can fend off an entire wolf pack, a healthy, normal moose can easily stand against 1 bear. A cow moose is nowhere near as formidable as her male counterpart because she has no antlers. So I agree with you a big bear should have a decent chance. The reindeer clip you gave only proves my point. Bears attack by grabbing the antlers and wrestling. The way the bear attacked the caribou shows it will be stomped to a pulp by a moose. www.upi.com/Odd_News/2007/03/05/Moose-attacks-helicopter/UPI-11431173106359/ A moose charged and brought down a helicopter. Has a bear done anything as impressive?
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jun 26, 2012 12:15:52 GMT -5
If a blind moose can fend off an entire wolf pack, a healthy, normal moose can easily stand against 1 bear. That's a moot point because grizzlies can fend off wolf packs. The reindeer clip you gave only proves my point. Bears attack by grabbing the antlers and wrestling. The way the bear attacked the caribou shows it will be stomped to a pulp by a moose. Not really. In most cases this will be about at parity, or the moose might be a little bigger than the bear(a 3/4 ratio by weight). So no trampling is going to happen. No, but it could have. Helicopters are unstable, if a man jumped on the helicopter's tail it probably would have come down.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 27, 2012 0:01:56 GMT -5
If a moose can bring down a helicopter, it can easily floor a bear. library.thinkquest.org/CR0215522/predators.htm " Few predators can be successful when challenging a healthy adult moose. Wolves and bears usually prey on the calves as well as the aged and the weak."www.kodiak.org/explore-kodiak/wildlife/bears.html "Although fish is an important part of their diet, they eat more grass, plants and berries than meat and rarely expend the time or effort necessary to chase and kill animals."Not much more to say here really. I've gotten my point across. If somebody posts sources stating bears have killed healthy adult moose I may change my mind. But no one has yet.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jun 27, 2012 1:23:33 GMT -5
If a moose can bring down a helicopter, it can easily floor a bear. No, because as i just told you helicopters are unstable. Bears can flip cars.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 27, 2012 1:34:18 GMT -5
I'm sure a moose can also flip a small car. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNfljgxTLyI The narrator says bears have long claws but they are blunted by digging. They won't be sharp enough to rip a moose's skin.
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Post by Super Communist on Jun 28, 2012 8:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 28, 2012 8:44:58 GMT -5
Bear claws are effective but in comparison to big cat claws, yes they are dull and worn. The latter keeps it sheathed most of the time. The former's claws are blunted from constant digging. www.glacier-national-park-travel-guide.com/moose-attack.html in the mandatory, park ranger introduction session I underwent as a Glacier National Park employee, the park rangers said wild moose are more dangerous than grizzly bears. and Bull moose are highly aggressive in the fall when courting cows. If you encounter a bull moose during mating season, it may perceive you as a mating threat and ward you off by attacking
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jun 28, 2012 19:54:00 GMT -5
This is kodiaks, not grizzlies. And in that video you posted, the main piece of evidence was obviously the embedded lion tooth. And bison hide is tougher than deer hide.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 29, 2012 0:42:01 GMT -5
How do you know Kodiak claws don't get worn down by the daily grind? www.ehow.com/how_8774859_preserve-skin-moose.html "Moose hides are bigger, thicker and tougher than deer hides, which makes them more difficult to tan. A two-point moose equals about 25 square feet of 1/4-inch-thick hide." You underestimate the moose. The bear's going to have a fight for his life.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jun 29, 2012 13:42:37 GMT -5
How do you know Kodiak claws don't get worn down by the daily grind? I wasn't referring to that, I was talking about the park rangers saying that moose are more dangerous than grizzlies. We're not talking about grizzlies, we're talking about kodiaks. And besides, that's not on an individual basis. The main reason moose are more dangerous than bears is because bears are much rarer. And moose hides still aren't as tough as bison hides.
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Post by mobster on Nov 28, 2012 21:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by Anomonyous on Dec 4, 2012 18:07:15 GMT -5
One animal chasing another doesn't serve as proof that it would defeat it, for I could run at a black bear screaming my head off and chase it away.
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Post by mobster on Dec 4, 2012 19:03:20 GMT -5
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