African Bush Elephant vs Triceratops

[Anomonyous]

But where? And the elephant probably wouldn't have any trouble stabbing the triceratops either, provided it got into a clear position.

[Tyrannosaurus]

What do you mean where? Anywhere, the flanks, the legs, the head. If they head-on charge each other, Trike would win that contest. It's horns are sharper and straiter, it has a frill, and it's head is on a ball joint making it far more maneuverable. It could swing it's head around for an impenetrable defense, and even if they got in a headlock the Trike would out-wrestle it and probable stab it in the trunk or front legs.

[Venomous Dragon]

Mar 1, 2012 18:21:27 GMT -5 Tyrannosaurus said:

What do you mean where? Anywhere, the flanks, the legs, the head. If they head-on charge each other, Trike would win that contest. It's horns are sharper and straiter, it has a frill, and it's head is on a ball joint making it far more maneuverable. It could swing it's head around for an impenetrable defense, and even if they got in a headlock the Trike would out-wrestle it and probable stab it in the trunk or front legs.

Impenetrable? Impossible to pass through or enter? I doubt it.
out wrestle? perhaps but theres no guarantee of it.
sharper? prove it.

[Tyrannosaurus]

Elephant tusks are dull and really not that long(the lengths you read are including the root).




And yes it would out-wrestle.

Notice the ball joints and the muscle attachments on the back of the frill. Elephants have no such adaptations.

By "impenetrable" I meant "practically impenetrable". It's really annoying when you point out those technicalities, you knew I was exaggerating. "Prove it" is just a juvenile way to get out of an argument. You're just pestering me because you don't like Dinosaurs.

[Venomous Dragon]

"prove it" is not being juvenile, Its asking you to support your statment with facts.
I dont like extinct animals in VS match ups, its not that I dont like dinos, its that I dont like them being used in match ups.
How was I to know you where exaggerating?
Im not pestering you, Im making the forum more active.

[Anomonyous]

So they're dull eh?

Like I have mentioned before, tusk sharpness depends on this individual elephant and whether it's recently been sharpened or not. Of course, there's so much weight behind them that it hardly matters.

[Anomonyous]

Mar 1, 2012 18:21:27 GMT -5 Tyrannosaurus said:

What do you mean where? Anywhere, the flanks, the legs, the head. If they head-on charge each other, Trike would win that contest. It's horns are sharper and straiter, it has a frill, and it's head is on a ball joint making it far more maneuverable. It could swing it's head around for an impenetrable defense, and even if they got in a headlock the Trike would out-wrestle it and probable stab it in the trunk or front legs.

Stabbing an elephant in the head when you have 2 horns and a space between them is rather difficult. If they head-charge each other, both will die, because the elephant would gore itself on triceratops' tusks but slam into and completely fuck up triceratops' skull in the process. Triceratops may have not been able to charge anyway. The neck is pretty short on triceratops, so ball joint or no ball joint, it wouldn't be able to swivel its head much without turning its head.
How does s ball joint help triceratops to outwrestle the elephant? The elephant is taller too.

[Tyrannosaurus]

Both Bakker and Paul have pointed out the Trike's ability of head-swiveling. Would help a lot in wrestling, if they get into a headlock(rather unlikely scenario). The ball joint only ensures flexibility, the main thing is the muscle attachments. The Triceratops's neck is much stronger than an elephant's.

[Anomonyous]

Mar 1, 2012 22:19:15 GMT -5 Tyrannosaurus said:

Both Bakker and Paul have pointed out the Trike's ability of head-swiveling.

Well, elephant's don't appear to be bad at head swiveling either! Look at the avatar elephant.

[jumbo1]

I agree with Tyrannosaurus for once. The triceratops wins this due to better positioned horns and the ball joint giving the head greater range of motion.

I did see that vid Commie posted regarding triceratops skull and it was strange. The show said triceratops would break it's head if it charged and hit something.

[Tyrannosaurus]

Another thing I haven't mentioned yet is that the Trike's horn is potentially a few inches to a foot longer than the horn on the skull, if you account for the missing keratin.

Mar 1, 2012 20:01:42 GMT -5 Venomous Dragon said:

I dont like extinct animals in VS match ups, its not that I dont like dinos, its that I dont like them being used in match ups.

I shouldn't have said you don't like dinosaurs, but keep in mind Dino matches are pretty much the whole reason I'm on this site. There's more to debate with Dinosaur matches, I'd say that's a good thing, and you get Dino fans like me as members. Win-win as far as making the forum more active.

[rhino]

Triceratops wins. The elephant is not larger than trike. Just taller. That's a disadvantage because triceratops can pierce its legs, throat, belly or trunk. It's head is attached to a ball and socket joint so it can outwrestle the elephant as well. It's frill would protect its neck from the elephant's tusks as well.

If they charged at each other than its a double kill. The elephant destroys the triceratops weak skull but is impaled on those horns.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225631/Biggest-triceratops-skull-Fossil-hunter-claims-beast-TWICE-big-elephant--plans-sell-1m.html#axzz2KBdhuBSD No elephant could stand against this thing.

[Moo]

If you've ever seen how an elephant fights, sure, it uses its tusks, but moreso it relies on pushing strength and its trunk. How would it try to use these tactics against the triceratops? The trike has a lower center of gravity, wider stance and more mass. The elephant would have to get to the side of the trike, but that's unlikely to happen, and even then it's not going to knock it over or anything.

Elephants don't really charge forward, full speed ahead, and it's likely that triceratops wasn't built to do so either, if doing so could shatter its skull. It more likely walked forward more similar to the way an elephant does. And if it did, it could much more easily knock the elephant over.

Also, sure, the elephant tusks would work, but would not the triceratops horns still have the advantage? They're straighter, longer, and are less likely to be turned to another direction when it pushes forward.

I don't see how the elephant wins this. The only way I could see it is if the triceratops is naturally more inclined to run away ... but then, that's not a real deathmatch, so we have to assume that for whatever reason, the two decide they have to fight it out.

[Felis Rex]

love the comparison Moo.

[rhino]

I wouldn't call it a mismatch. The elephant is more intelligent, can charge, and has an arguably stronger neck.