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Post by Super Communist on Nov 19, 2011 18:36:59 GMT -5
I think the Bengal Tiger is too big for the lion. Therefore it would probably win this fight. Actually, in terms of body size, there is no difference between the two. The tiger does have a slight weight advantage (183.4 kg vs 196.5 kg), due mainly to a greater food intake. Data also indicates the lion may possess stronger shoulders, as well as the fact they strike in a manner which optimizes both balance and power. In simpler terms.....the lion can strike harder. The lion also has that protective mane of theirs, which also serves to make them look much larger, and they are more persistent. Here is a comparison i`ve made;  And a couple more;  African lion and Siberian tiger;  Aren't those pictures of African lions though? |
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Post by Boldchamp on Nov 19, 2011 18:45:02 GMT -5
The middle specimen is an asiatic lion.
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Post by Boldchamp on Nov 19, 2011 18:47:49 GMT -5
Ahh I dislike these old over dramatized accounts. I also find it painfully convenient that a croc kills the lion. This could have just been them killing the tiger and making up this awesome story to sound awesome. Thanks for posting it though. I don`t know, perhaps. But remember that it`s a translation, so some of the original meanings is likely lost. |
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Nov 20, 2011 0:04:35 GMT -5
I think the Bengal Tiger is too big for the lion. Therefore it would probably win this fight. Actually, in terms of body size, there is no difference between the two. The tiger does have a slight weight advantage (183.4 kg vs 196.5 kg), due mainly to a greater food intake. Data also indicates the lion may possess stronger shoulders, as well as the fact they strike in a manner which optimizes both balance and power. In simpler terms.....the lion can strike harder. The lion also has that protective mane of theirs, which also serves to make them look much larger, and they are more persistent. Here is a comparison i`ve made; And a couple more; African lion and Siberian tiger; Actually there is! Lions are about 5 in. taller on average. Tigers, however, have an extra 12 in. of body length on them and are also more robust. An Asiatic lion averages a mere 385 lbs. while a Bengal tiger averages some 500 lbs. So yes, the tiger has a significant size advantage. |
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Post by Boldchamp on Nov 20, 2011 6:09:43 GMT -5
Deino, while the reported average of 385 lbs has been recorded for the asiatic lion, it was based only upon 4 specimens. I would say they range between 385 - 430 lbs, from other data i have come across. Even specimens of up to 306 kg have been recorded, according to the predator conservation trust.
Also, the heaviest population of bengals averaged 221 kg (under 500 lbs), while the overall average of bengals in general, was 196.5 kg. Not much different. And, they don`t have a 12 in. advantage. More like 2-3 in., while the lion is 2-5 in. taller at the shoulder. Although, the tallest big cat on record was a tiger. By the same token, the lion was the longest accurately measured specimen on record.
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Post by Deinobrontornis on Nov 20, 2011 13:49:07 GMT -5
Deino, while the reported average of 385 lbs has been recorded for the asiatic lion, it was based only upon 4 specimens. I would say they range between 385 - 430 lbs, from other data i have come across. Even specimens of up to 306 kg have been recorded, according to the predator conservation trust. Also, the heaviest population of bengals averaged 221 kg (under 500 lbs), while the overall average of bengals in general, was 196.5 kg. Not much different. And, they don`t have a 12 in. advantage. More like 2-3 in., while the lion is 2-5 in. taller at the shoulder. Although, the tallest big cat on record was a tiger. By the same token, the lion was the longest accurately measured specimen on record. The general range for an Asiatic lion's weight is 160-190 kg.[1] The heaviest male ever recorded was a 268 cm long, 223.3 kg male shot by Captain Smee. The longest male in hunting records measure exactly 306 cm. [2] The tallest male was 107 cm tall. [3] The Bengal tiger however, is much larger. Sample specimens from Chitwan National Park weighed 200-261 kg.[4] The largest Bengal tiger ever recorded was 302 long with part of the tail bitten off, stood 109 cm tall, and weighed some 272 kg.[5] The largest tiger of all time was 322 cm long and weighed 388.7 kg.[2] So as you can see, there is a significant size difference between the two cats. Do not try to make it appear otherwise! Sources: [1] Nowell K, Jackson P (1996). "Panthera Leo" (PDF). Wild Cats: Status Survey and Conservation Action Plan. Gland, Switzerland: IUCN/SSC Cat hi ialist Group. pp. 17–21. [2] # ^ Wood, The Guinness Book of Animal Facts and Feats. Sterling Pub Co Inc (1983), ISBN 978-0-85112-235-9 [3] Sterndale, R. A. 1884. Natural History of the Mammalia of India and Ceylon. Thacker, Spink and Co., Calcutta, 540 pp. (See No. 200. Felis leo). [4] Smith, J. L. D., Sunquist, M. E., Tamang, K. M., Rai, P. B. (1983) A technique for capturing and immobilizing tigers. The Journal of Wildlife Management 47 (1): 255–259. [5] Brander, A. (1923) Wild Animals in Central India. Edwin Arnold & Co., London. |
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Post by Boldchamp on Nov 20, 2011 18:10:40 GMT -5
Incorrect, man. I have every modern document that could be found on the subject of weights. But, let`s see. The heaviest asiatic lion ever recorded was 306 kg; www.predatorconservation.com/asiatic_lion.htm"The largest male Asiatic lion ever recorded was 306kg in 1920" Those chitwan tigers, with only 7 males weighed, were baited, and averaged 221 kg, adjusted for food content. But, you`re comparing the largest population of tigers, even though, comparatively, the data upon the asiatic lion is rather limited (n = 4). Anyways, the overall average weight of the bengal tiger, is 196.5 kg; animalcreativity.webs.com/Weights%20and%20measurements%20of%20male%20bengal%20tigers.pdfThe longest accurately measured bengal tiger was actually 10 ft, 7 in. or 322.6 cm. And, that 857 lb bengal was not scientifically accepted, and the heaviest tiger weighed by scientists was 261 kg. Specimens over 270 + kg has been recorded, in chitwan, but they had some stomach content, and had bottomed out the scale, anyways, so their exact weight remains unknown. You cannot deduce much from such limited data. It was merely my point that they were not too different in weight. |
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Post by jumbo on May 15, 2012 1:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by apexpredator7 on May 15, 2012 15:32:57 GMT -5
loved the account would make a fine story and lloved the croc winning in the end
but i think tiger would beat the lion even though i prefer the latter
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 27, 2012 6:10:36 GMT -5
Ok the links I posted in reply #22 back in May died. Sad because they contained all the info to seal the debate shut. Anyway- www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhdDYagIbjY Craig Packer, world's top lion expert for over 30 years favors the tiger over the lion. The debate's over. |
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Post by Anomonyous on Jun 27, 2012 9:18:46 GMT -5
To be honest, you can't definitively end a fight like that - although I figure he probably knows his stuff very well, do the other lion experts also agree?
Honestly I take no care in these matches.
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Post by jumbo1 on Jun 27, 2012 10:10:08 GMT -5
Craig Packer is just 1 major pro-tiger source. Here's more: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPUf3oGtQqI National Geographic: "With a 50 kilo weight advantage, a tiger could kill a lone lion." |
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Post by Anomonyous on Jun 28, 2012 9:54:27 GMT -5
Documentaries sometimes tend to be biased though. Lol at the crocodile in that tiger vs lion story. Don't know if it was true, but...  |
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Post by rhino on Feb 3, 2013 18:27:56 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12669308 The tiger severed the lion's jugular vein in a single stroke with its paw, leaving the animal dying in a pool of blood, officials said. This is just one of hundreds of tiger victories. It's common knowledge that a mature male tiger will defeat a mature male lion in a fight. Even tigresses and subadult tigers have seriously whipped much bigger lions in multiple occurrences. Even with a size advantage, lion seems to have little strength advantage. There are videos of staged fights involving male lions fighting tigresses. In most of them, the tigress gives the lion hell and easily smashes him to the ground. The lion is arguably the weakest big cat relative to size based on what I've seen from it. Skinny limbs. Narrow jaws. Streamlined body. It's skinnier and less powerful P4P than tigers, jaguars, leopards, and cougars. It resembles a cheetah more than it resembles a jaguar or leopard. It is obvious just by looking at pictures of tigers and lions which cat is the more powerful.
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Post by rhino on May 10, 2013 7:42:29 GMT -5
I think the Bengal Tiger is too big for the lion. Therefore it would probably win this fight. The largest bengal tigers (Kaziranga Tigers) dwarf the lion and would kill it like a house cat. They outweigh the lion by several hundred pounds. |
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