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Post by Taurus on Jan 22, 2012 12:16:08 GMT -5
Well its possible that predators rarely attacked it because of its size rather than its claws. I am pretty sure the same can be said about the sloth. Not excatly, Giant Short-faced Bears and American Lions which are bigger than Jefferson's Ground Sloth.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 22, 2012 13:54:33 GMT -5
No one is saying the ape would bite the sloth to death. I see it blugeoning it to death with its fist and arms or even breaking its spine or neck. Biting is more of a defense for primates.
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Post by Taurus on Jan 22, 2012 14:05:27 GMT -5
No one is saying the ape would bite the sloth to death. I see it blugeoning it to death with its fist and arms or even breaking its spine or neck. Biting is more of a defense for primates. Ground Sloth are quite robust and the skeletons are quite thicker and not easily break by a flailing ape. I can see a Giganto get cutted up badly while try to blugeoning a ground sloth. Do you have evidence that great apes use fists? It is ridiculous that you would think a ground sloth is a helpless, unable to fight back against a poorly armed canine-less ape who magically know how to use punches and martial arts.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 22, 2012 15:13:56 GMT -5
wow whose post are you reading? You need to read peoples post and respond intelligently. No one mentioned martial art or 'magic?' No one said a sloth was defenseless neither is an elephant but they don't have claws they are just huge. How do you suppose apes fight?
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 22, 2012 15:54:08 GMT -5
Lots of grappling and punching here too, but its just play.
What do you know they really do martial arts! ;D
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Post by Taurus on Jan 22, 2012 18:27:14 GMT -5
Your evidence support my point, they were just flailing around, not punching each other. Judging from the pictures and videos, it looks badly for Giganto as it will put itself in risk of being disboweled or slashed up from a ground sloth when it tries to grappling or flailing on the sloth.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 22, 2012 18:43:48 GMT -5
Your evidence support my point, they were just flailing around, not punching each other. Judging from the pictures and videos, it looks badly for Giganto as it will put itself in risk of being disboweled or slashed up from a ground sloth when it tries to grappling or flailing on the sloth. Those look like punches to me but hey your intitled to your opinions. My idea of what constitutes a punch consist of striking another with a balled fist. I can hardly guess what your version is. These apes obviously aren't going at each other that hard. For a guy so eager to burn down my evidence you have a unsurprising lack of evidence of your own claims. disembowel
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Post by Taurus on Jan 23, 2012 17:58:21 GMT -5
Your evidence support my point, they were just flailing around, not punching each other. Judging from the pictures and videos, it looks badly for Giganto as it will put itself in risk of being disboweled or slashed up from a ground sloth when it tries to grappling or flailing on the sloth. Those look like punches to me but hey your intitled to your opinions. My idea of what constitutes a punch consist of striking another with a balled fist. I can hardly guess what your version is. These apes obviously aren't going at each other that hard. For a guy so eager to burn down my evidence you have a unsurprising lack of evidence of your own claims. disembowel Great apes' skin aint that thick and thin skinned animals are easily cutted up as you are fully awared that leopards have disboweled great apes and baboons through raking (don't try to denied this fact as you are already knowledged about leopard predated on gorillas and chimps). Horses which are thin-skinned have been disboweled by cougars by the claws. Giant anteaters which have recorded to killed jaguars and even killed a zookeeper through the clawing and slashing. Ground sloth's claws are quite sharp so I can see a ground sloth slashing a great ape that easily and the great ape will be dying from cuts and blood loss while a ground sloth got minor injuries.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 23, 2012 22:08:31 GMT -5
All of these disembowelment's mentioned above are irrelevant since they are completely different animals with entirely different morphology, except maybe the anteater that's a big maybe and also a rarely observed occurrence. If your best evidence is based on something someone said once on old Carnivora then I have made my point. Do some research so you can provide the debate with something other than here say. I am sure you can find information on incident with the jaguar and the zookeeper so bring it to the table. What I know and what you know are irrelevant it's what we can show that is valuable to the debate. If your trying to make a case for the sloth you will be a lot more convincing if you provide something hard.
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Post by Taurus on Jan 24, 2012 9:58:33 GMT -5
All of these disembowelment's mentioned above are irrelevant since they are completely different animals with entirely different morphology, except maybe the anteater that's a big maybe and also a rarely observed occurrence. If your best evidence is based on something someone said once on old Carnivora then I have made my point. Do some research so you can provide the debate with something other than here say. I am sure you can find information on incident with the jaguar and the zookeeper so bring it to the table. What I know and what you know are irrelevant it's what we can show that is valuable to the debate. If your trying to make a case for the sloth you will be a lot more convincing if you provide something hard. You can do same thing with great apes use fists and punchs, however you already knew about great apes and baboons being disboweled by the leopards. Great apes do not have thick skin which that is what I am making a point and ground sloths claws were nasty. You need make a strong case too about great apes use fists and punchs because all I see is just flailing around.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 24, 2012 10:59:35 GMT -5
No you need to reread this entire thread. I am making points and providing evidence, you are providing this debate with nothing but your unprofessional opinions. My evidence maybe weak but is certainly stronger than yours which as of yet is nonexistent. I have showed videos of apes punching and posted pictures as well. We all are aware that you are unimpressed there is no need to repeat it. Now let others view it and decide for themselves.
Your assertions regarding ape skin is as baseless as your assumptions about sloth claws. Present something that we can all see or a study conducted by experts. Please don't make your argument grounded on something you can not back up.
Instead of making this about trying to disapprove my assessments your time and resource would be better used to provide some evidence of your own. Though I don't think that feline predation on apes is valid here others may disagree. So why don't you bring some of that information here. I sincerely want to see it. Also the story about the anteaters defensive kills. My goal here is to make this a debate, but until your provide us with something other than personal perspective on the conflict what else can I say. Lets assume there are members here on the fence in this debate. They will see me providing videos and pictures and they will see you providing nothing but words that you can't even link to a newspaper article. The information is out there I know it is, but I shouldn't have to do a search to prove your point. You need to do that. Even a simple video or picture of an anteater using its claws for there intended purpose would be more impressive than referencing other sites and no links.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 24, 2012 12:11:00 GMT -5
Wow talk about flailing around. OMG look at all the blood. their is so much gore flying around I can't tell which one is disemboweled.
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Post by Reticulatus on Jan 24, 2012 12:27:57 GMT -5
I think its fist might be gigantos secondary weapon lol ;D
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Post by jumbo on May 20, 2012 17:50:45 GMT -5
1. Gigantopithecus, assuming the descriptions are correct, has a massive weight and reach advantage over the sloth. 2. It also says in the description, "it is possible that Gigantopithecus had few or no enemies when fully grown. However, younger, weak or injured individuals may have been vulnerable to predation by tigers, pythons, crocodiles, Dinofelis, hyenas, bears, and Homo erectus." Not hard to see considering mature male gorillas and orangutans don't have predators either. 3. What can opposable thumbs do? How about gouging an eye? Strangling? Tearing off extremities? Improvising a weapon? Grabbing and twisting/breaking your opponent's limbs? 4. Gigantopithecus can break bamboo which as a higher tensile strength than steel. If it grabbed ahold of the sloth's neck or limbs it will break it. www.calibamboo.com/whybamboo.html5. The argument that Intelligence means nothing in a fight is thoroughly false and I debunk it here news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-gorillas-weapons.html6. To say ape's bite is irrelevant is also false. Giganto can use his hands as an anchor to pull the sloth towards his muzzle. Apes use their bites to fight each other and will be willing to do the same to the sloth. They'll be fighting in close quarters anyway. It really is mind numbingly strange people keep saying apes are unable to do what they are definitely anatomically built to do. Just because an animal hasn't necessarily been observed doing something doesn't mean we can just assume it can't happen. New discoveries challenge old findings all the time.
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