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Post by Anomonyous on Jun 11, 2012 17:04:36 GMT -5
Choke holds or shoving your hand down it's throat also works. Well you can't shove your hand down its throat while you're keeping its mouth shut.  I don't believe there are any weapons here, unless otherwise specified. I don't doubt that humans can fend off crocodilians occasionally without outside help, but we're really looking for the norm here and against Nile crocodiles that's not it. |
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Post by mobster on Dec 7, 2012 3:05:56 GMT -5
Changed my mind a bit.
If the man simply bull rushes the caiman and jumps on it, the reptile will twist around and bite ahold of him. In my opinion, his best bet is to grab a long object like a pole or stick to repeatedly jab and tire out the caiman. Or he can bludgeon it with a heavy log or rock.
When the caiman tires out, jump on it, roll it over, then beat and stomp its soft underbelly. Considering most caimans are rather small crocodilians, I don't see why a powerful human can't overpower one. Caimans (with the exception of the black caiman) just don't strike me as very impressive animals. Most of them aren't even that big. Only 1.8-2 meters long or so.
(This is assuming we are not using a top human specimen)
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Post by rhino on Mar 17, 2013 14:39:25 GMT -5
Against a spectacled caiman? A strong, fit human male clearly has the advantage over this small, unimpressive crocodilian species. Most caimans hunt small prey. Never something as large, hyper-flexible, intelligent, and dexterous as a human.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Apr 12, 2013 15:34:09 GMT -5
Caiman easily on both land and water, an unarmed human has no chance in hell of beating a caiman on land.
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Post by Reticulatus on Apr 12, 2013 16:51:27 GMT -5
Against a spectacled caiman? A strong, fit human male clearly has the advantage over this small, unimpressive crocodilian species. Most caimans hunt small prey. Never something as large, hyper-flexible, intelligent, and dexterous as a human. the extreme durability of crocodilians. |
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Post by rhino on Apr 13, 2013 15:24:34 GMT -5
Against a spectacled caiman? A strong, fit human male clearly has the advantage over this small, unimpressive crocodilian species. Most caimans hunt small prey. Never something as large, hyper-flexible, intelligent, and dexterous as a human. the extreme durability of crocodilians. They still have exposed delicate facial areas more sensitive than a human's fingertips. A good punch or kick to the caiman's snout or eyes can stun the animal into retreat. Besides that, Deinobrontornis has explained everything else I was about to say. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Apr 13, 2013 16:08:32 GMT -5
the extreme durability of crocodilians. They still have exposed delicate facial areas more sensitive than a human's fingertips. A good punch or kick to the caiman's snout or eyes can stun the animal into retreat. Besides that, Deinobrontornis has explained everything else I was about to say. The only really sensitive area would be the eyes and they are drawn into there sockets while attacking, nice try. |
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Post by Reticulatus on Apr 13, 2013 18:30:38 GMT -5
I'd say crocodilians are the worse possible match ups for primates. I'd almost say any similar sized noncrocodilian species would be a better match. Sticks and rocks wont cut it here. High powered ammunition is preferred when croc or gator hunting for this reason.
I understand it would be hard for the caiman kill a human but it does have the necessary equipment. The human on the other hand lacks an effective killing method.
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Post by rhino on Apr 13, 2013 19:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Apr 13, 2013 19:48:37 GMT -5
The Jaws are used in a predation, the very thing that causes them to be sensitive to touch also ensures that they are durable. As I said the only place worth attacking is the eyes and the are withdrawn into the eye sockets inorder to make it more difficult to attack the eyes. |
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Post by Reticulatus on Apr 14, 2013 19:24:23 GMT -5
Honestly I feel an eye gouge is being over rated here. This is a "fight to the death" scenario, is it not? I have seen many one eyed gators, in fact the St.Louis Zoo displayed a very large one eyed Nile croc for many years. My point being if you are trying to slay a caiman an eye gouge probably is not your best bet, as a deterrent it may work but if one must die its going to be the puny human.
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Post by rhino on Apr 15, 2013 14:14:34 GMT -5
A damaged eye can be a pretty devastating injury if you ask me. The pain the animal will experience will almost always override any aggressive intent it had before getting its eye hurt.
The article in my last post, the man escaped by digging his fingers into the crocodile's eye.
BTW didn't Bear Grylls kill a small gator with a knife in the Deep South episode? So much for gators being bulletproof.
And as a last resort, if the man is bitten, he can shove his hand down the throat of the caiman and open its palatal flap, causing gag and forcing release.
As I've stated before, its unlikely a barehanded man will kill a caiman most of the time, but he can potentially injure it severely enough to at least make it stop attacking.
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Post by Reticulatus on Apr 15, 2013 16:57:49 GMT -5
Who said they are bullet proof?
Bear Grylls is absolutely 100% staged.
Reptiles don't experience pain to the same degree as mammals.
As far as cramming your hand down a caimans throat, be my guest, I suceed from this fight and admit my defeat at the jaws of a more formidable predator.
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Post by rhino on Apr 15, 2013 20:08:13 GMT -5
Hey Guys. I am really sorry for being so derisive and rude for the past few days. Finals is coming up and I had to answer some very angry phone calls from people
But anyway,
I'm not commenting on whether bear grylls is a phony. That's a whole other topic I don't wish to argue about.
I know it sounds crazy but humans have forced crocodiles to stop attacking (by pure accident) by flailing around their limbs and thrusting open the palatal flap.
But like I said, it's a last, ditch trick the man could attempt and only if he is bitten.
And my comment about bear grylls was that crocodile scales aren't as tough as some people (not anyone here in particular) make them out to be.
I understand this isn't easy for the man. But it's hard for the small caiman that has never quite encountered something as large, intelligent, and hyper-flexible as a human.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Apr 15, 2013 20:15:38 GMT -5
Hey Guys. I am really sorry for being so derisive and rude for the past few days. Finals is coming up and I had to answer some very angry phone calls from people But anyway, I'm not commenting on whether bear grylls is a phony. That's a whole other topic I don't wish to argue about. I know it sounds crazy but humans have forced crocodiles to stop attacking (by pure accident) by flailing around their limbs and thrusting open the palatal flap. But like I said, it's a last, ditch trick the man could attempt and only if he is bitten. And my comment about bear grylls was that crocodile scales aren't as tough as some people (not anyone here in particular) make them out to be. I understand this isn't easy for the man. But it's hard for the small caiman that has never quite encountered something as large, intelligent, and hyper-flexible as a human. As large? capybara. Hyber-flexible? Monkeys Intelligent? well not as smart as us but monkeys and river dolphins |
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