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Post by snack211 on Jun 2, 2013 20:46:37 GMT -5
The bengal tiger would win it's faster,more agile,has sharper claws, a stronger bite force and its a better killer.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Jun 11, 2013 15:00:35 GMT -5
At parity, I vote Tiger. But at average weights, my vote goes to the Grizzly Bear.
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Post by rhino on Jun 19, 2013 2:40:32 GMT -5
to date i haven't seen an account of a mature male brown bear killing a mature male tiger.
whereas i have read accounts of tigers killing larger bears.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Jun 22, 2013 10:36:00 GMT -5
The largest brown bear a Siberian Tiger has killed was 170 kg. It was a hibernating female. Against a male Eurasian Brown Bear, it's obviously going to lose, same is gonna happen here. I haven't seen a single account of a Siberian Tiger killing an adult male brown bear, however, brown bears have been known to dominate tigers at kills. At average weights, the grizzly is just too much. It has better pain tolerance, stamina, has longer claws, bigger paws and it is just physically more powerful. And this is words coming from a guy who loves felines.
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Post by rhino on Jun 26, 2013 8:00:31 GMT -5
1. Better tolerance? I've seen big cats survive injuries just as severe if not worse than those of bears.
2. Stamina- unsure
3. actually there do exist accounts of tigers killing bears larger than themselves.
4. claws- the bear's is longer but they are blunt and straight. The tiger's is sharper and curved so it can hold onto the bear better.
5. actually it's the other way around. It's the bear that is usually afraid and backs down when it senses a tiger nearby.
6. The tiger is much more territorially aggressive than a brown bear IMO. It has to be. Because it has to hunt, secure the mating rights of its females within its territory, and fight off rival males.
Whereas bears don't really have such an obligation.
All this said, I don't dispute the bear can win. Especially if it's a larger one.
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Post by Factual on Aug 23, 2013 11:13:05 GMT -5
Bear vs. Lion has been done before, both in Roman times, and during the gold rushes in California and British Columbia.
The Bear won. Every time. Almost instantly. By crushing the skull or breaking the neck.
In Roman times they also did Bear vs. Tiger. The bear won.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 23, 2013 15:32:20 GMT -5
Bear vs. Lion has been done before, both in Roman times, and during the gold rushes in California and British Columbia. The Bear won. Every time. Almost instantly. By crushing the skull or breaking the neck. In Roman times they also did Bear vs. Tiger. The bear won. mind providing any actual evidence also I am a British Colombian and that is some of the the most ridiculous bullshit i have ever heard.
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Post by rhino on May 8, 2014 1:11:58 GMT -5
Bear vs. Lion has been done before, both in Roman times, and during the gold rushes in California and British Columbia. The Bear won. Every time. Almost instantly. By crushing the skull or breaking the neck. In Roman times they also did Bear vs. Tiger. The bear won. mind providing any actual evidence also I am a British Colombian and that is some of the the most ridiculous bullshit i have ever heard. There isn't any. There is little if any evidence of bears dominating tigers but plenty of accounts of tigers seeking out, predating on, and killing bears.
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Post by Old Ephraim on Sept 16, 2014 10:47:49 GMT -5
There is plenty of evidence. Like all pantherines, the tiger is a specialized ambush predator. In a face-off confrontation, the grizzly has the advantage. The big cats always attack from the rear and suddenly by surprise. A grizzly usually fights his prey head-on. Check out the historical accounts of grizzly vs tiger: shaggygod.proboards.com/ The grizzly wins this fight every time. In the wild, tigers always stalk bears smaller than themselves. It is not the grizzly who has need of a size advantage; it is the tiger. I have watched tigers fighting tigers and lions fighting lions. In fact, I have never watched a lion or a tiger fight any large animal face-to-face other than another big cat. When two big cats fight, they take a lot of "rest breaks." In a fight with a grizzly, that will result in a dead tiger.
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Post by rhino on Oct 31, 2014 2:14:32 GMT -5
1. You have never watched a lion or tiger fight another animal face to face with another animal other than a big cat? Really?
2. Tigers have killed bears larger than themselves. A 130 kg tigress once killed a 170 kg bear. Dale was said to hunt bears x2 his weight. One ambush turned into a fight but Dale still won.
3. Grizzly fights head on. That's a disadvantage against stuff like bison, boar, and deer. The bear grabs the horns, tusks, or antlers and wrestles with them which puts him at risk. Tiger is faster and more experienced and knows to attack from side or behind.
4. I'm sure grizzlies take rest breaks too when they fight. And male tigers fight to the death often. Bears don't.
5. Fight with a grizzly will result in a dead tiger? The tiger is faster, better armed, more experienced a fighter, and is as powerful if not more so than the bear. It's the male tiger's job to secure his hunting territory and mating rights to females within his territory. He must fight bears, wolves, dholes, crocodiles, and the like. The bear is not as territorial and does not have to live as actively. The bear's claws are nonretractable and get blunted from digging, ripping tree bark, and what not. Tiger claws are retractable so they are usually sharper. Tigers also have shorter, wider jaws and longer fangs than a bear giving it a stronger bite force.
Not to say the bear can't sometimes win. But I have to disagree that it would win in the way you described
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Post by rhino on Oct 31, 2014 2:17:24 GMT -5
At parity, I vote Tiger. But at average weights, my vote goes to the Grizzly Bear. I don't know the exact averages but grizzly bear has a bigger weight range than a tiger. So it depends. Obviously a 1,000 pounds and heavier grizzly will prove too much for most tigers unless the tiger was abnormally large (or a very passive bear against a very aggressive tiger)
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Post by grizzly on Jan 27, 2015 19:13:33 GMT -5
Consider that the Bengal tiger averages roughly from 40 to 60 pounds heavier than an Amur tiger simply because he lives in a more lush environment with greater food availability. The black grizzly of Siberia averages roughly 100 pounds heavier than the inland grizzly of North America due to superior food availability. Living within the same environment ( the Siberian taiga ) the tiger is roughly two thirds the weight of the black grizzly. If the Bengal tiger and the grizzly both lived within the same environment, the bear would have a significant weight advantage over the big cat. A healthy mature male grizzly will win this face-off nearly every time. grizzly.yuku.com/forums/66#.VA17X010zIU
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Post by rhino on May 28, 2015 19:34:21 GMT -5
Nearly every time? I disagree. The tiger lives a much more active and competitive lifestyle than a bear. They must regularly compete agaisnt wolves, dholes, crocodiles, pythons, and the like as well as securing their mating rights from other intruding males. The tiger is much more likely to seek out, initiate, and finish this fight than the bear.
Not saying it will win easily or anything. I don't have the answer to that.
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Post by batcheno on Dec 4, 2016 11:34:57 GMT -5
Bengal tiger can claw the grizzly bear
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Post by batcheno on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:32 GMT -5
Who would win the face off venomous dragon
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