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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 8, 2013 22:12:42 GMT -5
Deinonychus wins. The Komodo dragon's jaws and teeth are designed for creating deadly wounds, which will soon become infected. They are not designed for quick kills, because their jaws are rather weak and their teeth are small.
Hell, even WITHOUT the aid of the enlarged hind claw of the dromeosaurid, the deinonychus is still much more adapted at killing larger animals quickly.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Oct 10, 2013 13:58:01 GMT -5
I agree with you Godzillasaurus. And welcome to the forum.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 18, 2013 9:36:54 GMT -5
Deinonychus wins. The Komodo dragon's jaws and teeth are designed for creating deadly wounds, which will soon become infected. They are not designed for quick kills, because their jaws are rather weak and their teeth are small. Hell, even WITHOUT the aid of the enlarged hind claw of the dromeosaurid, the deinonychus is still much more adapted at killing larger animals quickly. how missinformed. Komodos use a combonation of rapid bloodloss and envenomation to quickly kill prey. There bites are devastating causing massive muscle, tendon and nerve damage, heavily impeding prey animal's mobility destroying any mammalian speed and stamina advantage there prey might have. In terms of there bite, its kinda like a venomous land shark.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 19, 2013 12:59:25 GMT -5
Deinonychus wins. The Komodo dragon's jaws and teeth are designed for creating deadly wounds, which will soon become infected. They are not designed for quick kills, because their jaws are rather weak and their teeth are small. Hell, even WITHOUT the aid of the enlarged hind claw of the dromeosaurid, the deinonychus is still much more adapted at killing larger animals quickly. how missinformed. Komodos use a combonation of rapid bloodloss and envenomation to quickly kill prey. There bites are devastating causing massive muscle, tendon and nerve damage, heavily impeding prey animal's mobility destroying any mammalian speed and stamina advantage there prey might have. In terms of there bite, its kinda like a venomous land shark. Not all the time... Against larger animals like buffalo, dragons will often wait for infection to take place: Besides, not once did I say the dragon's teeth weren't capable of causing immediate damage. Just that they will kill large animals with this kind of "hit and run" tactic.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 19, 2013 13:55:20 GMT -5
how missinformed. Komodos use a combonation of rapid bloodloss and envenomation to quickly kill prey. There bites are devastating causing massive muscle, tendon and nerve damage, heavily impeding prey animal's mobility destroying any mammalian speed and stamina advantage there prey might have. In terms of there bite, its kinda like a venomous land shark. Not all the time... Against larger animals like buffalo, dragons will often wait for infection to take place: Besides, not once did I say the dragon's teeth weren't capable of causing immediate damage. Just that they will kill large animals with this kind of "hit and run" tactic. Komodo dragons kill with venom not infections, that belief was disproved sometime ago. They do not wait for infection to slowly kill there prey, bloodloss and there venom quickly induce shock then prey is helpless. Your knowledge about these animals is outdated.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 19, 2013 14:23:31 GMT -5
Not all the time... Against larger animals like buffalo, dragons will often wait for infection to take place: Besides, not once did I say the dragon's teeth weren't capable of causing immediate damage. Just that they will kill large animals with this kind of "hit and run" tactic. Komodo dragons kill with venom not infections, that belief was disproved sometime ago. They do not wait for infection to slowly kill there prey, bloodloss and there venom quickly induce shock then prey is helpless. Your knowledge about these animals is outdated. I am already fully aware that Komodo dragons have venom. But you must realize that, even though I simply forgot to address that in my last post, animals will still be affected by it in a similar way to a bacterial infection. Venom will sometimes take days to take effect, roughly the same amount of time that an infection would take place. I simply forgot to mention the dragon's venom. Does that mean my knowledge is outdated? No, it simply means that it was a slight mistake.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 19, 2013 17:49:58 GMT -5
Komodo dragons kill with venom not infections, that belief was disproved sometime ago. They do not wait for infection to slowly kill there prey, bloodloss and there venom quickly induce shock then prey is helpless. Your knowledge about these animals is outdated. I am already fully aware that Komodo dragons have venom. But you must realize that, even though I simply forgot to address that in my last post, animals will still be affected by it in a similar way to a bacterial infection. Venom will sometimes take days to take effect, roughly the same amount of time that an infection would take place. I simply forgot to mention the dragon's venom. Does that mean my knowledge is outdated? No, it simply means that it was a slight mistake. the venom is not slow acting, so now your not outdated just wrong, which is even worse.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 19, 2013 18:20:25 GMT -5
I am already fully aware that Komodo dragons have venom. But you must realize that, even though I simply forgot to address that in my last post, animals will still be affected by it in a similar way to a bacterial infection. Venom will sometimes take days to take effect, roughly the same amount of time that an infection would take place. I simply forgot to mention the dragon's venom. Does that mean my knowledge is outdated? No, it simply means that it was a slight mistake. the venom is not slow acting, so now your not outdated just wrong, which is even worse. science.howstuffworks.com/zoology/reptiles-amphibians/komodo-bite1.htmKomodo dragon venom will kill an animal in a couple of days. Still a quicker process than a bacterial infection, but still rather slow acting. Even without the article you can infer that the venom takes a while to take effect, as evidenced by this video: Venom does not have to be fast acting to be effective
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 19, 2013 18:54:49 GMT -5
the venom is not slow acting, so now your not outdated just wrong, which is even worse. science.howstuffworks.com/zoology/reptiles-amphibians/komodo-bite1.htmKomodo dragon venom will kill an animal in a couple of days. Still a quicker process than a bacterial infection, but still rather slow acting. Even without the article you can infer that the venom takes a while to take effect, as evidenced by this video: Venom does not have to be fast acting to be effective 1: there is plenty of incorrect info on komodos out there dont trust much of anything unless its a recent scientific paper (example: many still say they are the product of island giagantism) 2: how quickly it kills and how long it takes to take effect are different things, the venom is fast acting it simply takes awhile to kill animals 10X the dragon's size. Smaller animals suffer effects much more rapidly but they are usually killed by the dragon before the venom would kill them.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 19, 2013 19:20:38 GMT -5
I know you are referring to the link, but the video could not have been faked. If you can observe it happening, then it is reality. If you watch a documentary where Komodo dragons wound a buffalo and then follow it for a couple of days until it dies, then there is nothing to be skeptical about.
That is true, but the supposed quick effect of venom is not seen in animals larger than Komodo dragons, like deer (some species) and buffalo.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 19, 2013 20:32:37 GMT -5
I know you are referring to the link, but the video could not have been faked. If you can observe it happening, then it is reality. If you watch a documentary where Komodo dragons wound a buffalo and then follow it for a couple of days until it dies, then there is nothing to be skeptical about. That is true, but the supposed quick effect of venom is not seen in animals larger than Komodo dragons, like deer (some species) and buffalo. actually its effects become apparent fairly quickly, the purpose of the dragons venom is not to kill an animal on its own but to quickly induce shock, this manifests itself the prey's seeming indifference at the presence of the komodos (which brought rise to the stupid belief that dragons can kill these animals because they dont view them as a threat) the venom effectively takes alot of the fight from its prey and it does not do so slowly. Yes it would take awhile to kill but thats not really its job, the venom's job is to increase the effectiveness of the komodos already fearsome bite. Its a 1-2 punch Actually videos and documentries cannot always be trusted either, whats easier? To film dragons following an animal around or to film its death and tell the viewer you have assuming that current info about its hunting strategy is correct? The later. Videos can also be staged or the outcomes predetermined by hidering or aiding one of the animals.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 20, 2013 8:13:07 GMT -5
So then how does this make other sources credible? Different sources say different things
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 20, 2013 15:01:25 GMT -5
So then how does this make other sources credible? Different sources say different things Recent scientific papers are your best bet.
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Post by Carcharadontosaurus on Nov 7, 2013 18:10:28 GMT -5
Deinonychus wins. It is much more agile, and i can see it killing the lizard with its claws and teeth. But it will probably end up in a draw if deino gets bitten due to the komodo's venom.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Nov 7, 2013 21:33:10 GMT -5
Deinonychus wins. It is much more agile, and i can see it killing the lizard with its claws and teeth. But it will probably end up in a draw if deino gets bitten due to the komodo's venom. Why do you always vote for the dinosaur?
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