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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Dec 26, 2013 4:42:39 GMT -5
To be honest I really hate this thread. It's basically the same simple argument everytime: Shallow water: Hippo Deep water: Shark. I do think that too, but it's just that this thread sucks. If you want to debate with me be my guest. Sure, why not? Well, to start off. The Great White is pretty much bigger than any predator the hippo has ever met. While the hippo may be slightly bigger than the great white shark, they only kick the shit out of crocs because the crocs they kill are way smaller than themselves. Hippos do preform nasty fights with each other, but they don't usually end up killing each other and just injure each other. A great white shark is way more streamlined, faster in water and just way more deadlier than any predator a hippo has ever met. The hippo is more aggressive, but yet again, aggression doesn't always matter in a fight. A great white shark is far superior than a nile crocodile, which is one of the hippo's biggest predators. A hippo also might meet a bull shark, but a Great White Shark is way bigger and of course a hippo would easily defeat a bull shark since it is much smaller. While the hippo should win in shallow water, the shark should win in deep water almost everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 18:57:26 GMT -5
If you want to debate with me be my guest. Sure, why not? Well, to start off. The Great White is pretty much bigger than any predator the hippo has ever met. While the hippo may be slightly bigger than the great white shark, they only kick the shit out of crocs because the crocs they kill are way smaller than themselves. Hippos do preform nasty fights with each other, but they don't usually end up killing each other and just injure each other. A great white shark is way more streamlined, faster in water and just way more deadlier than any predator a hippo has ever met. The hippo is more aggressive, but yet again, aggression doesn't always matter in a fight. A great white shark is far superior than a nile crocodile, which is one of the hippo's biggest predators. A hippo also might meet a bull shark, but a Great White Shark is way bigger and of course a hippo would easily defeat a bull shark since it is much smaller. While the hippo should win in shallow water, the shark should win in deep water almost everytime. No, the hippo would still do well against a similarly-sized crocodile. This is a very powerful, well-armed and aggressive ungulate. One can even argue that the shark has never faced an animal as formidable as the hippo, except the killer whale, who usually dominate the shark on size. Hippos can most definitely kill each other in fights and they have done so. Most fights end with one animal backing off, but so what. Most fights between two animals of the same species rarely ends in death. Also the point of the shark being more formidable then nile crocodiles is pointless, since a healthy adult hippo is basically immune from crocodile predation, and dominates the reptile at watering holes. Even though it is very much capable of killing the hippo, I dont think a GWS would want to go after an angry bull hippo. As I mentioned in my above post, the hippo does bring some advantages that a an elephant seal or some of the other great whites more formidable prey do not. This includes the fact that it generally stays on the bottom of the water and cannot be attacked from below. I still am unsure a shark can attack from above. I dont necessarily back the hippo in deep water but I dont think the shark will easily win this and this wont be an ideal animal to attack.
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Post by Dinopithecus on Dec 27, 2013 9:29:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I for one don't find it particularly hard to believe that a shark would be able to attack from above. I'm sure it has enough instinct or common sense to do that.
As for the idea that the shark never faced something as formidable as the hippo, that argument didn't stop people from favoring an elephant over many a large theropod (I don't think you were one of them fishfan, so don't think this is particularly directed towards you).
In deep water, the shark would almost certainly win more often than not IMO, just for its mobility advantage there (as good of swimmers hippos are and apparently staying at the bottom) and for having more than sufficient enough tools to kill the hippo, while in shallow water, the tables are turned for the same reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 14:10:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I for one don't find it particularly hard to believe that a shark would be able to attack from above. I'm sure it has enough instinct or common sense to do that. As for the idea that the shark never faced something as formidable as the hippo, that argument didn't stop people from favoring an elephant over many a large theropod (I don't think you were one of them fishfan, so don't think this is particularly directed towards you). In deep water, the shark would almost certainly win more often than not IMO, just for its mobility advantage there (as good of swimmers hippos are and apparently staying at the bottom) and for having more than sufficient enough tools to kill the hippo, while in shallow water, the tables are turned for the same reasons. I never seen a shark swim face down. I know they can get disoriented in certain positions so it isnt so clear to me that they would swim downward for easy access to the hippos back. Sharks can swim vertically upward to an extent like when breaching, but even then there bodies are still mostly horizontal and they can bend there body upward to have the head higher up. I dont think the shark can bend its face downward and get a good bite on the hippo while being totally above it. It would have to at least swim somewhat on the same level to the hippo, and as such I think the hippo has a chance of hitting it instead of being totally out of range. As for the argument about the shark never facing an opponent like the hippo, I agree its not such a good point, but I was only responding to thylacaleo's comment about how hippos never encounter something more formidable then a nile crocodile. Surely your comment should apply to his as well?
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Dec 28, 2013 5:56:44 GMT -5
Sure, why not? Well, to start off. The Great White is pretty much bigger than any predator the hippo has ever met. While the hippo may be slightly bigger than the great white shark, they only kick the shit out of crocs because the crocs they kill are way smaller than themselves. Hippos do preform nasty fights with each other, but they don't usually end up killing each other and just injure each other. A great white shark is way more streamlined, faster in water and just way more deadlier than any predator a hippo has ever met. The hippo is more aggressive, but yet again, aggression doesn't always matter in a fight. A great white shark is far superior than a nile crocodile, which is one of the hippo's biggest predators. A hippo also might meet a bull shark, but a Great White Shark is way bigger and of course a hippo would easily defeat a bull shark since it is much smaller. While the hippo should win in shallow water, the shark should win in deep water almost everytime. No, the hippo would still do well against a similarly-sized crocodile. This is a very powerful, well-armed and aggressive ungulate. One can even argue that the shark has never faced an animal as formidable as the hippo, except the killer whale, who usually dominate the shark on size. Hippos can most definitely kill each other in fights and they have done so. Most fights end with one animal backing off, but so what. Most fights between two animals of the same species rarely ends in death. Also the point of the shark being more formidable then nile crocodiles is pointless, since a healthy adult hippo is basically immune from crocodile predation, and dominates the reptile at watering holes. Even though it is very much capable of killing the hippo, I dont think a GWS would want to go after an angry bull hippo. As I mentioned in my above post, the hippo does bring some advantages that a an elephant seal or some of the other great whites more formidable prey do not. This includes the fact that it generally stays on the bottom of the water and cannot be attacked from below. I still am unsure a shark can attack from above. I dont necessarily back the hippo in deep water but I dont think the shark will easily win this and this wont be an ideal animal to attack. I know it would do well against a similar sized crocodile, when did I say it couldn't? When did I doubt that a hippo was powerful, well armed and aggressive? I even mentioned that it was more aggressive than the shark. You guys seem to think that elephant seals can beat a hippo in a fight if it was in shallow water, but yet Great White Sharks kill elephant seals. Elephant Seals are just as formidable as hippos when they fight. As for the hippo fighting each other part, I think you have a point there. When I was saying that great white sharks are more formidable than nile crocodiles, well it's true. When I said it will easily win, I was talking about deep water. Where I think that is true. Obviously in shallow water the hippo would win.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Dec 28, 2013 7:05:54 GMT -5
I'm gonna lose this debate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 20:11:27 GMT -5
No, the hippo would still do well against a similarly-sized crocodile. This is a very powerful, well-armed and aggressive ungulate. One can even argue that the shark has never faced an animal as formidable as the hippo, except the killer whale, who usually dominate the shark on size. Hippos can most definitely kill each other in fights and they have done so. Most fights end with one animal backing off, but so what. Most fights between two animals of the same species rarely ends in death. Also the point of the shark being more formidable then nile crocodiles is pointless, since a healthy adult hippo is basically immune from crocodile predation, and dominates the reptile at watering holes. Even though it is very much capable of killing the hippo, I dont think a GWS would want to go after an angry bull hippo. As I mentioned in my above post, the hippo does bring some advantages that a an elephant seal or some of the other great whites more formidable prey do not. This includes the fact that it generally stays on the bottom of the water and cannot be attacked from below. I still am unsure a shark can attack from above. I dont necessarily back the hippo in deep water but I dont think the shark will easily win this and this wont be an ideal animal to attack. I know it would do well against a similar sized crocodile, when did I say it couldn't? When did I doubt that a hippo was powerful, well armed and aggressive? I even mentioned that it was more aggressive than the shark. You guys seem to think that elephant seals can beat a hippo in a fight if it was in shallow water, but yet Great White Sharks kill elephant seals. Elephant Seals are just as formidable as hippos when they fight. As for the hippo fighting each other part, I think you have a point there. When I was saying that great white sharks are more formidable than nile crocodiles, well it's true. When I said it will easily win, I was talking about deep water. Where I think that is true. Obviously in shallow water the hippo would win. Well in your previous post you said the only reason hippos dominate crocodiles is because they are much bigger then them. And when did i say that an elephant seal would beat a hippo? I dont think it would, and I believe the hippo has a deadlier bite then the seal as well as the fact that since it stays on the water bottoms, the shark cant attack its belly from below. I tend to disagree that the shark would easily win in deep water, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm gonna lose this debate Why would you say that? As long as we can have a fun discussion where we can learn that is all that matters here.
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Post by rhino on Dec 30, 2013 5:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by Dinopithecus on Dec 30, 2013 9:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by bobbyboy68 on Dec 31, 2013 13:13:58 GMT -5
shark wins. it is so much better designed for killing and it has a much stronger bite force. it is also quicker in water
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Dec 31, 2013 16:50:19 GMT -5
It doesn't have a much stronger bite force, in fact it's the opposite. But I do agree that the shark wins, as long as it's in deep water. But in shallow water or deep water in a river, then yeah the hippo wins.
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Post by batcheno on Nov 29, 2016 18:36:32 GMT -5
The great white shark can try to drown the bull hippo. But the bull hippo will probably charge at the great white shark
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