Gemsbok vs Lioness

[Super Communist]

Gemsbok are light brownish-grey to tan in color, with lighter patches to the bottom rear of the rump. Their tails are long and black in color. A blackish stripe extends from the chin down the bottom edge of the neck through the join of the shoulder and leg along the lower flank of each side to the blackish section of the rear leg. They have muscular necks and shoulders and their legs have white 'socks' with a black patch on the front of both the front legs and both genders have long straight horns. Comparably, the East African Oryx lacks a dark patch at the base of the tail, has less blackish on the legs (none on the hindlegs), and less blackish on the lower flanks.

Gemsbok are about 1.2 metres (3 ft 11 in) at the shoulder, and males can weigh between 220–250 kilograms (490–550 lb) while females weigh 180–210 kilograms (400–460 lb).

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Weights for adult lions range between 150–250 kg (330–550 lb) for males and 120–182 kg (264–400 lb) for females. Nowell and Jackson report average weights of 181 kg (400 lb) for males and 126 kg (280 lb) for females. Lions tend to vary in size depending on their environment and area, resulting in a wide spread in recorded weights. For instance, lions in southern Africa tend to be about 5 percent heavier than those in East Africa, in general.

Head and body length is 170–250 cm (5 ft 7 in – 8 ft 2 in) in males and 140–175 cm (4 ft 7 in – 5 ft 9 in) in females; shoulder height is up to 123 cm (4 ft) in males and as low as 91 cm (3 ft) in females. The tail length is 90–105 cm (2 ft 11 in - 3 ft 5 in) in males and 70–100 cm in females (2 ft 4 in – 3 ft 3 in). The longest known lion, at nearly 3.6 m (12 ft) in total length, was a black-maned male shot near Mucsso, southern Angola in October 1973; the heaviest lion known in the wild was a man-eater shot in 1936 just outside Hectorspruit in eastern Transvaal, South Africa and weighed 313 kg (690 lb). Another notably outsized male lion, which was shot near Mount Kenya, weighed in at 272 kg (600 lb). Lions in captivity tend to be larger than lions in the wild—the heaviest lion on record is a male at Colchester Zoo in England named Simba in 1970, which weighed 375 kg (826 lb). However, the frequently cited maximum head and body length of 250 cm (8 ft 2 in) fits rather to extinct Pleistocene forms, like the American lion, with even large modern lions measuring several centimeters less in length.

[Deinobrontornis]

Add a poll!

[Super Communist]

I only add polls when I am sure that the thread actually garners interest, if only two people are discussing it whats the point?

[Deinobrontornis]

Dec 17, 2011 12:03:49 GMT -5 Super Communist said:

I only add polls when I am sure that the thread actually garners interest, if only two people are discussing it whats the point?

It won't stay like that forever. Besides, it is more convenient and some people might just want to quickly say which one they think will win without having to compose an entire message.

[Canid Cetus Aves]

I'm going to go with the Lioness here. But the Gemsbok has those sharp horns. They are pretty big. But I think pound for pound, the lioness is stronger.

[Venomous Dragon]

Despite the horns fearsome appearance, I question how pracitcal they are. The gemsbok has to lower its head alot for them to do maximum damage.

[Super Communist]

[Deinobrontornis]

There you go Commie! There are more than two people discussing it. So please create a poll.

[Venomous Dragon]

Dec 17, 2011 23:31:34 GMT -5 Super Communist said:

Interesting the horns can be used to defend the animals rear and flanks but i was talking about head on. Still useful information.

[Canid Cetus Aves]

Dec 17, 2011 23:23:00 GMT -5 Venomous Dragon said:

Despite the horns fearsome appearance, I question how pracitcal they are. The gemsbok has to lower its head alot for them to do maximum damage.

I agree.

[Taurus]

There are three known cases of gemsbok killed lions. One involved a male lion, another involved a lioness and the last one involving a mountain lion (feral gemsboks are found in United States). Of course the first two cases, the gemsbok ended up dead along with African lions.

A gemsbok that do not flees, can deter a lioness away but only at the long range. If the lioness got past the long horns, the gemsbok is done for.

As for the match winner....it's all on who can past the defenses and who cannot.

[jumbo]

Nice to see people give herbivores the credit it deserves instead of heaping praise on carnivores, especially one as overrated as the lion. More often than not, the lion will fail to take down an oryx and lose. Many, many times lions flee if the hunt becomes a head on encounter. Numerous cases abound of herbivores getting the best of and owning lions. I'll happily post them if anyone disagrees.

[Anomonyous]

We're not talking about whether a predation attempt would be successful, but who would win in a fight to the death. After all, a hadrosaur would win against a tyrannosaurus in the former case, as no predators can achieve any higher than a 50% success ratio with large prey.

[mobster]

Head on fight, Gemsbok wins this one. It can easily defend itself even if the lioness latches on its back or sides.

[Cr1TiKaL]

Lioness, the gemsbok's horns seem impractical.