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Post by mobster on Dec 4, 2012 19:59:15 GMT -5
To date I have never seen a case of a lion killing a mature nile crocodile. Only juveniles and babies. Even on land, lions seem extremely wary of small crocodiles. Tells a lot who is superior.
But yes, lions are up there with black bears as some of the worst cowards in the animal kingdom.
I mean, they're all bluff and intimidation. At the last minute they chicken out and flee.
The only serious lion fight I saw was 4 lionesses ganging up on 1 lioness.... and they failed to kill her. Great.
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Post by rhino on Mar 23, 2013 17:10:24 GMT -5
Comparison pic; The crocodile's neck looks too wide and flat for a lion to bite. I would go with the Lion. In African Cats, a male Lion scared a crocodile of a Hippo carcass. Yeah I remember that. Crocodiles are quite risk averse animals at times. But there are instances where crocodiles wandered onto land and challenged lions for carcasses and the lions, despite outnumbering the crocodile, were scared spotless to go near it. Tigers and jaguars seem the best suited among big cats to killing large reptiles.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 23, 2013 17:24:38 GMT -5
lions aren't scared of water because they cant swim. only the biggest of africas animals go swimming without worry.
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Post by rhino on Apr 28, 2013 19:58:43 GMT -5
well I've seen many instances where crocodiles approached lions unafraid on land even when the lion outnumbered the reptile.
Tigers and jaguars by contrast seem more confident around reptiles in general.
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Post by Cr1TiKaL on Aug 8, 2013 7:57:12 GMT -5
As a mammal fan, I say the crocodile will easily kill the lion even on land. A bite from these jaws should get the job done: www.ecosystema.ru/08nature/world/67svz/13.jpgAlso the crocodile has armor and crocs are actually surprisingly good fighters on land as well.
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Post by rhino on Aug 8, 2013 8:30:00 GMT -5
Lions are craven cowards. They will flee from crocodiles even on land. I think it was on NG's Deadly Summers that a lioness was too afraid to go down to the water's edge because of crocodiles.
The crocodile has a huge psychological advantage over the lion here if you ask me. A tiger vs a nile crocodile is a better fight.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 25, 2013 15:11:15 GMT -5
Modern crocodiles don't have serrated teeth...
As for the matchup, a crocodile with a decent size advantage would win. Lions aren't as well adapted for killing well-armored crocodilians as jaguars are.
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Post by rhino on Oct 26, 2013 4:18:50 GMT -5
lions are the most cowardly big cat. That's for sure.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 26, 2013 21:05:30 GMT -5
Umm, do you have any real proof of that? Besides, cowardice is not a factor in interspecific matchups.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 20:17:58 GMT -5
I would favor the lion on land as long as its within half of the crocs weight. The reptile just isnt adapted to fighting with large animals on land. It needs to be able to end the fight in one bite, and survive a possible mount by the lion, which can only be done if it has a very nice size advantage. A 3 legged lion killed a 3 meter crocodile, so clearly the cat can deal with crocs even if its not as experienced as a tiger or jaguar. In the water its obvious who wins.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 27, 2013 20:25:51 GMT -5
3 meters is roughly 9 feet. That is not even close to the full size potential for Nile crocodiles, in which old males can grow up to 20 feet long. I looked up "three legged lion kills crocodile" on Google and nothing of that sort popped up. Do you have any articles or sources that describe this?
Ignoring that scenario alone, lions do not have much experience killing crocodiles as a whole, and are not adapted to do so. Unlike jaguars which will kill small to medium-sized caimans, crocodilians do not make up any portion of a lion's staple diet. One good bite from a decently-sized crocodile could seriously injure the lion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 20:40:16 GMT -5
www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lion-with-crocodile3 m is 10 feet roughly and its not the full potential of the crocodile, but its also a 3-legged lion making a kill. And regardless of experience on the lions part, crocodiles dont kill anything of notable size on land either. The lion clearly has greater mobility and stamina on land, and the weaponry to get through the crocs armor. Crocodiles and other reptiles tend to have a much greater size difference between max and average then mammals do. Pretty sure your typical male nile croc is well below 20 feet 1 ton. But as I said, as long as the size difference isnt too great the lion should win on land.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 27, 2013 20:54:49 GMT -5
Once again, I looked this up and could not find anything. Can you give me a source?
But that doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so. When crocodiles get tired out on land, they will go to straight to their saving grace, the water. Crocodiles hunt in the water, not on land. So there is little to no evidence of them killing large terrestrial animals in a terrestrial environment. Crocodiles will come into contact groups of lions on land and succeed in fighting them off:
Yes, in the second video it DID escape back into the water (as stated by the video itself), but only after it fought long and hard while outnumbered 11 to 1.
The average size for male Nile crocs is somewhere around 15 feet. I was talking about the full size potential, not the average. The biggest Nile crocodiles can get up to 20 feet long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 21:07:29 GMT -5
I posted the link in my last post. And yes, the crocodile will escape to the water, but if it was really as easy for the croc to kill anything big on land as some would want to believe, it wouldnt be running for the river. The lion would no doubt want to avoid the crocodile, but when pushed I would say it will succeed more often then not in killing the crocodile, if it doesnt escape to the water that is.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Oct 27, 2013 23:12:20 GMT -5
Whoops! Slipped my mind. Thanks for pointing it out me.
I must add that there is no description in your link that the lion actually killed the crocodile. The crocodile could have been killed by something else and the lion could have been scavenging.
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