Moose vs. Ceratosaurus

[Deinobrontornis]

Moose - Alces alces


The moose (North America) or Eurasian elk (Europe) (Alces alces) is the largest extant species in the deer family. Moose are distinguished by the palmate antlers of the males; other members of the family have antlers with a dendritic ("twig-like") configuration. Moose typically inhabit boreal and mixed deciduous forests of the Northern Hemisphere in temperate to subarctic climates.
On average, an adult moose stands 1.8–2.1 m (6–7 ft) high at the shoulder. Males weigh 380–720 kg (850–1580 pounds) and females weigh 270–360 kg (600–800 pounds). The largest of all is the Alaskan subspecies (A. a. gigas), which can stand over 2.1 m (7 ft) at the shoulder, has a span across the antlers of 1.8 m (6 ft) and averages 634.5 kg (1,396 lbs) in males and 478 kg (1,052 lbs) in females. Typically, however, the antlers of a mature specimen are between 1.2 m (3.9 ft) and 1.5 m (4.9 ft). The largest confirmed size for this species was a bull shot at the Yukon River in September 1897 weighing 820 kg (1,800 lb) and was 233 cm (92 in) tall at the shoulder. The Moose of Alaska matches the extinct Irish Elk as the largest deer of all time. Behind only the bison, the Moose is the second largest land animal in both North America and Europe. The life span of an average moose is about 15–25 years.

Ceratosaurus - Ceratosaurus nasicornis


Ceratosaurus meaning "horned lizard", in reference to the horn on its nose, was a large predatory dinosaur from the Late Jurassic Period (Kimmeridgian to Tithonian), found in the Morrison Formation of North America, in Tanzania and Portugal. It was characterized by large jaws with blade-like teeth, a large, blade-like horn on the snout and a pair of hornlets over the eyes. The forelimbs were powerfully built but very short. The bones of the sacrum were fused (synsacrum) and the pelvic bones were fused together and to this structure (Sereno 1997) (i.e. similar to modern birds). A row of small osteoderms was present down the middle of the back.
Ceratosaurus reached lengths of 6 to 8 meters (19.7-26.2 feet), was around 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) tall, and weighed between 500 kg and 1 tonne (1,103-2,205 lbs).

[Super Communist]

Size alone makes ceratosaurus the winner, and at similar sizes I would expect the dinosaur to prevail slightly more than not with its superior weaponry but admittedly I am very fond of this animal so my opinion may be biased.

[Venomous Dragon]

The moose gets my vote because all dinosaurs are overrated, peoples imaginations get the better of them with dinos.

[Super Communist]

Voting against animal simply because it is "overrated" is unreasonable, care to explain how exactly the moose is going to kill its slightly larger and much better armed adversary?

By the way I wouldn't consider all dinosaurs "overrated" seeing how people get the impression that hadrosaurs and sauropods were helpless, lumbering beasts.

[Deinobrontornis]

Nov 11, 2011 0:54:52 GMT -5 Super Communist said:

Voting against animal simply because it is "overrated" is unreasonable, care to explain how exactly the moose is going to kill its slightly larger and much better armed adversary?

By the way I wouldn't consider all dinosaurs "overrated" seeing how people get the impression that hadrosaurs and sauropods were helpless, lumbering beasts.

Moose do, however, possess some weapons advantages over Ceratosaurus.

1. Intelligence: Given how the moose is a mammal and that it lives roughly 150 million years after Ceratosaurus, it is bound to more intelligent.
2. Speed: Moose can run up to 35 mph. I am unsure of how fast Ceratosaurus could run, but since it was a bipedal animal and was neither a Dromeosaur nor a Struthioformes, it could probably not run as fast.
3 Weapons: Ceratosaurus was actually one of the more poorly armed Theropds. It mainly ate fish like a Spinosaurid, so not only would its teeth would not be as efficient for killing as another Theropod's teeth might be, but it also lacked long forearms or exceptionally sharp claws in contrast to Spinosaurids. Its horn was used for display rather than for use as a weapon. The moose, however, does have some good weapons. Its hooves are rather powerful and kill a human with one hit. Its 5 foot antlers may not serve as the best goring weapons, but they are excellent for defense and could even hook a charging opponent, allowing it manipulate it and through it to wherever the moose pleases. The antlers may be sharp enough to leave deep wounds and cuts, however.
Size: Well...Ceratosaurus is obviously bigger. Ceratosaurus was about 7 meters long and weighed 800 kg on average. A moose is about 2 meters tall and weighs 600 kg on average.

[Super Communist]

1. Intelligence: Given how the moose is a mammal and that it lives roughly 150 million years after Ceratosaurus, it is bound to more intelligent.

Intelligence is rarely a factor in a fight.

2. Speed: Moose can run up to 35 mph. I am unsure of how fast Ceratosaurus could run, but since it was a bipedal animal and was neither a Dromeosaur nor a Struthioformes, it could probably not run as fast.

A moose may be able to outrun a ceratosaurus but I don't see how its going to help it overcome its opponent, ramming aside.

3 Weapons: Ceratosaurus was actually one of the more poorly armed Theropds. It mainly ate fish like a Spinosaurid, so not only would its teeth would not be as efficient for killing as another Theropod's teeth might

Ceratosaurus most likely didn't rely on fish as a major food source, compare the teeth of the dinosaur to the following piscivores.









As you can see its teeth are much more serrated than those of a fish eater which leads me to think that it was a predator of large dinosaurs.

The moose, however, does have some good weapons. Its hooves are rather powerful and kill a human with one hit.

And I am sure that a single bite from a ceratosaurus would also kill a human.

Its 5 foot antlers may not serve as the best goring weapons, but they are excellent for defense and could even hook a charging opponent, allowing it manipulate it and through it to wherever the moose pleases. The antlers may be sharp enough to leave deep wounds and cuts, however.

Maybe it could help grapple with bulky animals like a bear but ceratosaurus was relatively thin for its size and I imagine that its would be difficult for the moose to utilize its weapons.

[Canid Cetus Aves]

I would favor the Moose here because as Deinobrontornis said, Ceratosaurus was one of the poorly armed therapods. And the Moose had better weapons. One good kick to a vulnerable part of the Ceratosaurus and the dinosaur could be seriously injured.

[Super Communist]

Watch this video.

As you can see despite the fact that the deer kicks the guy several times he was not seriously injured and although I would expect a moose to be stronger than a deer at similar sizes, one kick is not going to do any actual damage to the larger ceratosaurus.

[Deinobrontornis]

Intelligence is rarely a factor in a fight.

It can actually be quite important. One reason felines make great fighters is because of their ability to access a situation and find the weak spots in an enemy. Wolves use intelligence to figure out which deer or bison is worth hunting or not. Intelligence can also be used to take advantage of the environment around you. Humans are the epitome of this.

A moose may be able to outrun a ceratosaurus but I don't see how its going to help it overcome its opponent, ramming aside.

You just answered YOUR OWN QUESTION!

Ceratosaurus most likely didn't rely on fish as a major food source, compare the teeth of the dinosaur to the following piscivores.

The scientists disagree with you.[1]

Source: [1] Bakker RT, Bir G (2004). "Dinosaur Crime Scene Investigations". In Currie PJ, Koppelhus EB, Shugar MA, Wright JL. Feathered Dragons. Indiana University Press. pp. 301–342.

Maybe it could help grapple with bulky animals like a bear but ceratosaurus was relatively thin for its size and I imagine that its would be difficult for the moose to utilize its weapons.

Do you honestly think a 1 tonne Dinosaur is all that fast or agile, especially a bipedal one?

[Super Communist]

It can actually be quite important. One reason felines make great fighters is because of their ability to access a situation and find the weak spots in an enemy. Wolves use intelligence to figure out which deer or bison is worth hunting or not. Intelligence can also be used to take advantage of the environment around you. Humans are the epitome of this.

What you describe are hunting scenarios which is different than a fight, and if you watched the video I posted did you see how the much more intelligent human reacted when he was attacked by a deer?

You just answered YOUR OWN QUESTION!

And I don't see how that's such a huge advantage, I doubt the moose will be able to do any significant damage by charging into it.

The scientists disagree with you.[1]

This is nothing but a hypothesis, does he have any actual evidence that it fed primarily on fish?

Do you honestly think a 1 tonne Dinosaur is all that fast or agile, especially a bipedal one?

I wasn't talking about speed or agility, I simply think that it would be difficult for the moose to be able to effectively utilize its antlers on such a thin opponent, if you don't understand my reasoning take a look at its antlers.



Notice how the distance between its antlers, I would imagine only a small portion of the bony appendages would be able to make contact with the dinosaur.

[Deinobrontornis]

What you describe are hunting scenarios which is different than a fight, and if you watched the video I posted did you see how the much more intelligent human reacted when he was attacked by a deer?

I also described feline fights.

A fatass couch potato doesn't really count as an intelligent specimen. An actual redneck out in the woods would be able to handle the situation much better.

And I don't see how that's such a huge advantage, I doubt the moose will be able to do any significant damage by charging into it.

If you don't think a 1,400 lb. animal with 5 foot antlers charging at Ceratosaurus at a 35 mph does much damage, time to get a physics lesson.

I wasn't talking about speed or agility, I simply think that it would be difficult for the moose to be able to effectively utilize its antlers on such a thin opponent, if you don't understand my reasoning take a look at its antlers.

Notice how the distance between its antlers, I would imagine only a small portion of the bony appendages would be able to make contact with the dinosaur.

Umm...Ceratosaurus was probably as wide if not wider than a moose. Also, those antlers can also throw Ceratosaurus to the ground.

[Super Communist]

I also described feline fights.

Did you see any display of intelligence in that clip?

An actual redneck out in the woods would be able to handle the situation much better.

Yes because he is more physically fit but lets say a hunter does have a scuffle with a wild deer, how is intelligence going to help? The only way I see his brain power coming into play is if he decides to pick up a weapon but not all animals can do that.

If you don't think a 1,400 lb. animal with 5 foot antlers charging at Ceratosaurus at a 35 mph does much damage, time to get a physics lesson.

No I just doubt that a moose would actually charge in full speed, assuming its not some sort of blood crazed animal.

Umm...Ceratosaurus was probably as wide if not wider than a moose. Also, those antlers can also throw Ceratosaurus to the ground.

I am pretty sure it be slightly thinner but even if I it were slightly wider than a moose I still doubt the antlers would make much contact.

[Deinobrontornis]

Did you see any display of intelligence in that clip?

Actually yes! The cats stopped several times assessing each others strengths and weaknesses.

Yes because he is more physically fit but lets say a hunter does have a scuffle with a wild deer, how is intelligence going to help? The only way I see his brain power coming into play is if he decides to pick up a weapon but not all animals can do that.

You should watch this video already.

No I just doubt that a moose would actually charge in full speed, assuming its not some sort of blood crazed animal.

Did you read about the part where it said moose are aggressive, or how one moose took down a PHUCKIN' helicopter!
www.metro.co.uk/weird/40034-moose-brings-down-helicopter

I am pretty sure it be slightly thinner but even if I it were slightly wider than a moose I still doubt the antlers would make much contact.

Why? Ceratosaurus is in perfect ramming position!

[Super Communist]

Actually yes! The cats stopped several times assessing each others strengths and weaknesses.

Or they could just be taking a breather.

You should watch this video already.

I did and I saw no display of intelligence going on, all he did was grab the animal by the antlers.

Did you read about the part where it said moose are aggressive

This moose gets shot in the ear and doesn't run anywhere close to thirty five miles.

or how one moose took down a PHUCKIN' helicopter!

It was a freak case.

Why? Ceratosaurus is in perfect ramming position!

I explained this already.

[Deinobrontornis]

Or they could just be taking a breather.

Speculation brings us back to step 1...or absolutely nothing.

I did and I saw no display of intelligence going on, all he did was grab the animal by the antlers.

At this point, you probably regard nothing in fights as intelligence. Grabbing antlers, holding them in place, and then making run for it is planning. It therefore requires "INTELLIGENCE"!

This moose gets shot in the ear and doesn't run anywhere close to thirty five miles.

Just because one moose doesn't run 35 mph per hour in one instance does not mean it can't run that fast. Also, the moose was just a few meters away! Do you really think it get full burst of speed in a couple of seconds?

It was a freak case.

So??? Helicopters also don't typically fly around in the forest. It shows the true power of a moose.

I explained this already.

The antlers of the moose and Ceratosaurus' neck are at the same height, making it a perfect line up for the antler tips to gore its neck. And wide antlers just means Ceratosaurus is inevitably going to be knocked over with a charge.