Western gorilla vs. Sloth bear

Deinobrontornis is absolutely correct.

1. Gorillas are blind as we are at night. It cannot see what is attacking him. So it is reduced to helplessly flailing in vain attempts to catch its attacker. The account said leopard ambushed it from behind, sent it rolling downhill to limit its reaction time, and the next morning the gorilla was found dead. Which means, the leopard was unable to kill the ape and the gorilla repelled it before dying on ambush injuries.

As I often like to say- if Mike Tyson was blind, I jumped him from behind, sent him rolling downhill, and gutted him with a knife before he can react- I can kill him too! That's the beauty of ambush, its like a cheat code. Doesn't have to bypass the gorilla's powerful arms....

2. The role of the silverback is to mate, have offspring, and protect his family. Now if he is constantly vulnerable and afraid of predators, that is detrimental to his success. No animal could evolve into such a pathetic species. What's the point of having a large body size if its useless in a fight? To acquire more food just to get eaten by a big cat? How can you be so weak you barely a match to something 1/2-1/3rd your size?

3. Why does the silverback Gorilla sleep on the ground? Why does George Schaller, famous primatologist say he has never seen an animal as relaxed as this primate? If leopard predation was such a threat, would Gorillas behave in this manner?

4. Predators are opportunistic. They only go for ailing, weak, and old. The healthy are left alone until all options are lost. If the gorilla charges, the leopard will always flee. The risk of death is just too great. Silverbacks are immensely ferocious when their families are threatened and will fight to the death to protect the troop.

5. www.malamala.com/MM7/LEOP_hlarulini.htm a baboon seriously bit and killed a leopard. Can you imagine what a 400Lb Gorilla can do with the same attitude?

Feline fans are the first to cry the cat was defanged, abused, old, sick if its defeated by another animal. But when a cat kills another animal, its automatically assumed the latter was 100% healthy and not compromised in any way. It doesn't matter what it is, if its going against a cat, they ridiculously underrate and trash it to make their beloved felines seem unstoppable. It's incredibly annoying and biased. But doesn't stop.

[/quote]Provide some evidence of a gorilla doing something impressive and i might change my mind.[/quote]

Do you mean that as in the ability to kill large prey?

Bears aren't exactly competent large game predators either.

Even polar bear's menu mostly consists of seals a fraction its weight.

So this whole argument about gorillas being herbivores and unable to kill large prey does not apply here in my opinion.

Absolutely. I actually think the sloth bear will do worse than the panda against the gorilla.

And before someone pulls out the usual straw man excuse of "Gorillas are veggies without claws or predatory instinct so they don't know how to fight."

Well sloth bears aren't exactly territorial, competitive, or predatory animals now are they?

Nor do they kill animals larger than themselves with any regularity.

So that argument is completely useless here.

Dude for the second time, who is making that argument on here? you have brought it up in two threads where Its not even being used against apes, do you somehow think that if you bring it up first then you are instantly right and they are wrong?
I would back a sloth bear more than a panda, sloth bears have higher enegery diets.
Sloth bears deal with leopards,lions(or at least used to) and tigers, They defend there children from more dangerous foes than gorillas do.

How did I forget them?

Damn text and its inability to convey tone!
I ment it in a way that I was almost embarassed that I forget them.

Got ya! Should have known better than to assume condescension, cold blood for life bro.